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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 01:22 am
As usual, possum is full of ****.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 01:52 am
I think that "possum" can hold that Dyslexia is indeed guilty of violation of the TOS when he wrote-

" I think possum is full of sh.t"
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 07:51 am
Okie says "[L]ook in the mirror." Wow, what a scathing retort. The right's obeisance to Bush is only exceeded by their dearth of wit.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:31 am
Quote:


They Hate Us Because We Kill Them

After 9/11, many Americans had no idea why there was so much anger and rage in the Middle East, especially against the United States. All their lives, Americans had been taught that foreign policy was for federal "experts" and, thus, they had chosen not to concern themselves with what their federal officials were doing to people abroad.

Innocently believing that federal overseas personnel, including the CIA and the military, had been helping foreigners for decades, Americans had no reason to doubt the official U.S. pronouncement immediately after 9/11: "We are innocent. The terrorists hate us for our freedom and values. That's why they have attacked us."

What Americans didn't realize is that federal officials were being disingenuous when they made that pronouncement. U.S. officials knew full-well that that their decades-old U.S. interventionist policies in the Middle East were at the bottom of the volcanic rage that people bore in that part of the world.

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2006/07/they-hate-us-because-we-kill-them.html

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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 10:43 am
JTT, this is brought out very well in the book, "Overthrow." It is about our penchant to overthrow other regimes around the world, especially in Latin America. In the latter, the overthrow was often to benefit the United Fruit Company.

Did you ever read Phillip Agee's book, "The Company." It brought out the sickening details of our foreign policy in Latin America.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 03:34 pm
Advocate wrote:
JTT, this is brought out very well in the book, "Overthrow." It is about our penchant to overthrow other regimes around the world, especially in Latin America. In the latter, the overthrow was often to benefit the United Fruit Company.

Did you ever read Phillip Agee's book, "The Company." It brought out the sickening details of our foreign policy in Latin America.


No, I haven't read either of those books, Advocate. I'll have to add them to my reading list.

The trouble is that too many Americans have been duped into thinking that US "interventions" have been altruistic. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

It's well-established that this penchant that you discuss has caused many of the world's problems. It's just got to be understood by more Americans. You can't solve the problems when you don't understand them.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 03:52 pm
One can only imagine the hatred this engenders in the people of countries where we have engineered overthrows. A good example is Iran, where we deposed the elected PM, Mosedegh, and installed a monarch. (We did this because he had leftist leanings.) The Iranians have long memories and have never forgiven us.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 03:54 pm
JTT wrote:
Advocate wrote:
JTT, this is brought out very well in the book, "Overthrow." It is about our penchant to overthrow other regimes around the world, especially in Latin America. In the latter, the overthrow was often to benefit the United Fruit Company.

Did you ever read Phillip Agee's book, "The Company." It brought out the sickening details of our foreign policy in Latin America.


No, I haven't read either of those books, Advocate. I'll have to add them to my reading list.

The trouble is that too many Americans have been duped into thinking that US "interventions" have been altruistic. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

It's well-established that this penchant that you discuss has caused many of the world's problems. It's just got to be understood by more Americans. You can't solve the problems when you don't understand them.


I will be the first to admit that US intervention has caused problems,but let me ask you this.

Will you admit that US intervention has also SOLVED many of the worlds problems,or would you prefer that the US never intervene anywhere in the world?

Remember,that intervention has taken the form of humanitarian,medical,food,disaster relief,and every other form of aid.

So,do we eliminate all kinds of humanitarian aid,just because we MIGHT be intervening?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 04:59 pm
But don't you think that's a defining characteristic of much of American liberalism? It doens't matter what good is accomplsihed if it isn't absolutely poltiically correct or doesn't fit neatly into liberal ideology? Look how many posts from the Left condemn this or that because it ONCE was this or that and refuses to acknowledge what is now. Or any good that is being accomplished now is null and void because of what once was or because there is a negative involved or the wrong person/party backs it.

The Salvation Army is condemned because it sometimes requires beneficiaries to attend a short worship service. Never mind that the Army does yeoman's work in feeding, clothing, and housing the poor and homeless. I guess it would be better that they go without food, clothing, and shelter rather than have to endure a short worship service.

I'm sure many other examples would be applicable along this vein.

The hypocrisy, of course, is that the same criteria doesn't apply to programs, processes, initiatives, etc. of the Left. Any and all negatives there can be dismissed if any good whatsoever is accomplished.

I wonder how much more good we could do and how much damage we could avoid if we ignored political correctness and partisanship and utlilized intellectual honesty in these things?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 13 Aug, 2006 08:48 pm
PF
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:35 am
I think that JTT really rebutted Foxfyre excellent post with his definitive comment PF! LOL
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 05:25 am
dyslexia wrote:
As usual, possum is full of ****.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 08:48 am
Fox, at this late date, aren't you willing to admit that Bush's real motivation in invading Iraq was to grab oil and avenge the attempt on his father's life? There is a ton of evidence that Bush knew that Iraq was not a threat to us. And when that became evident, he said we invaded to bring democracy, etc., to Iraqis.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 08:59 am
Advocate wrote:
Fox, at this late date, aren't you willing to admit that Bush's real motivation in invading Iraq was to grab oil and avenge the attempt on his father's life? There is a ton of evidence that Bush knew that Iraq was not a threat to us. And when that became evident, he said we invaded to bring democracy, etc., to Iraqis.


No Advocate, I won't admit that. I honestly believe Bush's real motivation was to remove Saddam as a threat to the Middle East and beyond and I think he honestly believed that was a legitimate next step in the War on Terror. I think the mission changed once that was accomplished, and we could honestly debate whether that new mission was a noble or a fool's errand. We could legitimately debate whether, knowing what we know now, whether he would have pushed to invade Iraq. Knowing what I know now, would I have voted to do it? I don't know.

I believe the President felt he had exhausted all other options before the decision was made, and I believe he and the huge lion's share of his administration and every member of Congress who voted for the invasion were convinced that Saddam was a real threat and necessary to remove. The evidence from the 9/11 Commission, Duelfer report, et al pretty well verifies he had some pretty nasty ambitions planned for us and others once the sanctions were removed.

And I think about that pile of 50,000 Iraqi bodies that were a result of 12 years of sanctions imposed by the UN. I don't know how in good conscience we could continue to allow that to occur.

But again, if I had to vote to invade when we did. I don't know how I would vote. I do know that we're there and the noble and right thing to do is to stand behind the President and the troops and do what we can to expedite the speediest and most efficient end to this war. Any other course is to give huge aid and comfort to those who wish to kill us, them, and anybody else who opposes them.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:12 am
Advocate wrote:
There is a ton of evidence that Bush knew that Iraq was not a threat to us. And when that became evident, he said we invaded to bring democracy, etc., to Iraqis.


Of course we could debate the issue you raise about the "ton of evidence" that "Iraq was not a threat to us," but I don't think the likelihood exists that either of us would gain anything in rehashing it. But I am interested in your comment that would seem to imply Bush has in some respect modified the reasons for the invasion after the fact.

Is that what you are claiming?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:21 am
Absolutely! Moreover, I see no reason to rehash them either. I know you have seen them.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 09:31 am
Advocate wrote:
Absolutely! Moreover, I see no reason to rehash them either. I know you have seen them.


Seen a lot of stuff yes. Seen any credible stuff to that effect? Nope.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:18 pm
Didn't you love Bush's excuse for the war that we are killing terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to at home.

Also, we are getting revenge for 9/11.

Also, we invaded to save the people from Saddam.

I am sure that were other excuses, with more to come.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:20 pm
Lash wrote:
JTT-- Don't be such a Sore Loserman. Run along with your playmates, who think Bush orchestrated 911 and Diebold is owned by his uncle.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Mon 14 Aug, 2006 01:25 pm
One of the astonishing things on these posts is the ability of those who are ignorant about facts to post statements that are completly untrue.

Advocate is obviously ignorant when he says:

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Didn't you love Bush's excuse for the war that we are killing terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to at home.

Also, we are getting revenge for 9/11.

Also, we invaded to save the people from Saddam.

I am sure that were other excuses, with more to come.

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He may, of course, think he has evidence to buttress his ignorant statements above. He may and I would welcome seeing the evidence--properly notated, of course.

Until then, his unsourced comments are ignorant and meaningless!!!
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