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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
squinney
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:25 am
Yes, yes. And, at least we all know how to judge the success of a victorious erection. Now we will all know when the plan is complete.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:29 am
I'm sure we all long for that spurt to victory! It's just around the corner!
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:39 am
If one examines the changing political landscape in Iraq, I'm sure the pre-victory spurts can already be detected! The final victorious erection and spewing of victory is just around the corner!!
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:42 am
I can already sense those victory ejaculations on the rise! It's coming soon!
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:46 am
We must give Dick some credit for that, too.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:49 am
Laughing squinney, you slay me. But not as much as Dick and Bush and the glorious Iraq erection, I mean election.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:56 am
Well, obviously Dick and Bush gave rise to the erection of democracy, thrusting us repeatedly forward to the inexorable climax of victory in Iraq!
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 09:59 am
I'm being overcome with the desire to bow before Bush and Dick!
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 10:02 am
After the inevitable climactic victory, I fully intend to smoke a cigarette and fall asleep. I'll be just that weary from helping our President with his bold vision for victory in Iraq!
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cyphercat
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 11:30 am
Funny you should mention erections-- Did you know the Iraqis finally had their first democratic erections? All thanks to the visionary leadership of President Bush!
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 11:32 am
Yes, prior to that they could only achieve erections under a dic-tator.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 11:45 am
And what kind of erections can you possibly have when the only choice is a dictaster? No, that's not freedom.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 02:51 pm
Word is out that Congress has extended the Bush tax cuts to 2010. Most of us conservatives would have preferred they be permanent, but at least an extension is better than letting them expire.

To those that accuse those tax cuts for ballooning the deficits, etc. there is this in today's papers:

Quote:
A flood of income tax payments pushed up government receipts to the second-highest level in history in April, giving the country a sizable surplus for the month.

In its monthly accounting of the government's books, the Treasury Department said Wednesday that revenue for the month totaled $315.1 billion as Americans filed their tax returns by the April deadline. The gusher of tax revenue pushed total receipts up by 13.4 percent from April 2005.

It marked the largest one-month receipt total since the government collected $332 billion in revenue in April 2001, reflecting a boom in capital gains from stock investors lucky enough to cash out their investments before the bursting of the stock market bubble in early 2000
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SOURCE

Re above post - I misspoke. Just the house approved the extension and the Senate was still haggling. If they haven't voted yet, be sure to let your senator know we LIKE lower taxes.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 01:35 pm
It's about time. One thing that helped Bill Clinton so much is that for every charge leveled against him, he had Carville and Begala fielding the charges and blunting them with immediate rebuttal or counter charges.

Tony Snow has the savvy to do that and may be able to deflect a lot of the more idiotic nonsense or at least throw it back in their faces.

Snow issues detailed rebuttals to media coverage of the president
Bill Sammon, The Examiner
May 11, 2006 7:00 AM (8 hrs ago)

WASHINGTON - New White House Press Secretary Tony Snow is starting off in a combative mode against the press by issuing detailed rebuttals to what he considers unfair coverage of Bush.


"The New York Times continues to ignore America's economic progress," blared the headline of an e-mail sent to reporters Wednesday by the White House press office.

Minutes earlier, another e-mail blasted CBS News, which has had an unusually rocky relationship with the White House since 2004, when CBS aired what turned out to be forged documents in a failed effort to question the president's military service.

"CBS News misleadingly reports that only 8 million seniors have signed up for Medicare prescription drug coverage," Wednesday's missive said. "But 37 million seniors have coverage." On Tuesday, the White House railed against "USA Today's misleading Medicare story."

"USA Today claims ?'poor, often minority' Medicare beneficiaries are not enrolling in Medicare drug coverage," the press office complained. "But by April, more than 70 percent of eligible African Americans, more than 70 percent of eligible Hispanics, and more than 75 percent of eligible Asian Americans are enrolled or have retiree drug coverage."

White House sources said Snow, who started on the job Monday and has yet to give his first public press briefing, is determined to aggressively counter what the administration considers unfair assertions in both news and editorials about Bush. At the same time, he is eager to make the notoriously secretive administration more accessible to the press.

[email protected]
SOURCE
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 09:48 pm
Good for Tony Snow. Its time to take the gloves off.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 11:24 pm
Yeah, ol snow job really knocked 'em dead with that rebuttal. It'll shut the media right up.

Oh, by the way

Quote:
Fletcher indicted
Governor calls inquiry political

By Tom Loftus and Mark Pitsch
The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. ?- Gov. Ernie Fletcher was indicted yesterday on three misdemeanor counts alleging that he directed an illegal conspiracy to place his political allies in state jobs at the expense of those who might oppose him.

He is the first Republican governor since 1971 and the first of either party in Kentucky to be indicted. He entered office in 2003 on a pledge to cut "waste, fraud and abuse" in state government.


Pretty soon, it'll be easier to list Republican politicians who are not under indictment.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2006 05:09 am
okie wrote:
Good for Tony Snow. Its time to take the gloves off.

Gloves? He's going to have to take his pants off. Perhaps a tandem act with Jeff Gannon might do the trick.

from the Wall Street Journal online
May 11, 2006, 9:12 pm
Bush Dips Into the 20s
President Bush's job-approval rating has fallen to its lowest mark of his presidency, according to a new Harris Interactive poll. Of 1,003 U.S. adults surveyed in a telephone poll, 29% think Mr. Bush is doing an "excellent or pretty good" job as president, down from 35% in April and significantly lower than 43% in January.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 12 May, 2006 05:36 am
Pants off - bend over and repeat, "I, Tony Snow hereby renounce all claims of credential as a journalist or manhood, and sell my soul in pursuit of the furtherance of Bush/Rightwingnut dominion."

Now clean yourself up, and report to the podium- good boy, Tony.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 May, 2006 07:40 am
Quote:
May 12, 2006, 6:25 a.m.
In the Eye of the Beholder
Imagine if we'd reported and opined on WWII the way we do now.


By Victor Davis Hanson

I think Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Henry Stimson, and George Marshall conducted the Second World War brilliantly, despite "thousands of mistakes." But I can also envision how our present intelligentsia and punditocracy would have sized up their sometimes less than perfect efforts or applied their own reporting to the struggle against Japan and Germany. So imagine something like the following op-ed appearing, say, around May 1, 1945.

The Present Debacle

May 1, 1945?-After the debacles of February and March at Iwo Jima, and now the ongoing quagmire on Okinawa, we are asked to accept recent losses that are reaching 20,000 dead brave American soldiers and yet another 50,000 wounded in these near criminally incompetent campaigns euphemistically dubbed "island hopping."

Meanwhile, we are no closer to victory over Japan. Instead, we are hearing of secret plans of invasion of the Japanese mainland slated for 1946 or even 1947 that may well make Okinawa seem like a cake walk and cost us a million casualties and perhaps involve a half-century of occupation. The extent of the current Kamikaze threat, once written off as the work of a "bunch of dead-enders," was totally unforeseen, even though such suicidal zealots are in the process of inflicting the worst casualties on the U.S. Navy in its entire history.

Worse still, our sources in the intelligence community speak of a billion-dollar boondoggle now underway in the American southwest. This improbable "super-weapon" (with the patently absurd name "Manhattan Project"?-in the midst of a desert no less!) promises in one fell swoop to erase our mistakes and give us instant deliverance from our blunders?-no concern, of course, for the thousands of innocents who would be vaporized if such a monstrous fantasy bomb were ever actually to work.

We are only now coming off even more terrible losses in Europe, after being surprised by a supposedly defeated enemy in the Ardennes where another 20,000 Americans were killed and another 60,000 wounded or missing?-again, due to our continued strategic incompetence and abject intelligence failures. Macabre reports of American bazooka shells bouncing off German Tiger tanks and our Shermans ablaze like Ronson lighters have only now come to light as we plow the Belgium countryside for yet another new American war cemetery. Tragically, this is not the first, but the fourth year of this war, when victory rather than endless bloodshed has been long promised.

A number of issues arise. Why is Henry Stimson ("Gentlemen do not read each other's mail") still Secretary of War? After the debacles at Pearl Harbor, the Philippines tragedy, the Kasserine Pass disaster, the unforeseen bocage in Normandy, the Falaise Gap escape, the Anzio mess, the fatal detour to Rome, the surprise at the Bulge, the bloodbath at Tarawa, and now the Iwo Jima and Okinawa nightmares, is not five years of his incompetence and arrogance enough? A number of our retired generals seems to agree, who have recently bravely come forward to remind us that Sec. Stimson long ago tried to dismantle key elements of our intelligence services, attempted to curtail the operational command of our Army Air Corps generals in conducting bombings of Europe, and has on more than one occasion intervened to remove targets from Gen. LeMay's campaign over Japan.

As we see thousands of Americans dying and our enemies still in power after four years of war, it is also legitimate to question the stewardship of Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Marshall. The Sherman tank tragedy, the daylight bombing fiasco, the absence of even minimally suitable anti-tank weapons and torpedoes?-all these lapses came on his watch, and the man at the top must take full responsibility for mistakes that have now cost thousands of American lives. Indeed, it is not just that America has worse tanks and guns than our German enemies, but they are inferior even to the rockets and armor of our Soviet allies. The recent publication of "The Sherman Tank Scandal" follows other revelations published in "Asleep at the Philippines," "The Flight of Gen. MacArthur," "Gen. Patton and the Atrocities on Sicily," "Do Americans Execute POWs?" "Torture on Guadalcanal," "Incinerating Women and Children?" and "Civilian Massacres in Germany"?-publications in their totality that suggest a military out of control as often as it is incompetent.

Such problems start at the top. It is not out of "Roosevelt hating," but out of the need for truth that requires this paper to remind the American people that Mr. Roosevelt, in whose hands our collective fate lies, has been untruthful to his wife about his liaisons, untruthful to the American people about the extent of his crippling illness, and thus, not surprisingly, untruthful to the United States Congress about the extent of our prewar involvement with the British Empire in its European war and the secret nature of our present commitments.

Recently we have learned that President Roosevelt, the former law school dropout, once again has violated basic freedoms enshrined in our Constitution. Supposed German suspects were subject to military tribunals, tried in secret, and then executed. Tens of thousands of Italians, Germans, and Japanese war captives are detained in hundreds of American prison compounds, without charges and often in secret. How many were truly captured in uniform, and under what conditions, is never disclosed.

Unfortunately this violation of American values comes not in isolation, but on the heels of the unlawful internment of thousands of American citizens in Western concentration camps, the cover-up of the Cobra disaster in Normandy and the criminally negligent killing of General McNair, and still more rumors that hundreds of American soldiers perished in secret in training exercises on the eve of the Normandy invasion. Yet, the American people to this day have no precise idea how many of their enlisted men and officers have been killed, much less where they perished or how.

Indeed, what little we know comes to light only due to the brave efforts of a few unnamed operatives in the Office of Strategic Services who have in secret provided such information concerning patently illegal activities to the responsible news organizations.

Yet even this government's propaganda efforts ring hallow, as we noticed with the recently released film footage purportedly showing Adolph Hitler incompetently handling a Colt .45 revolver. In fact, such a weapon, little known in Germany, is hard to load and shoot, especially the early model that the Fuhrer was shown trying to fire. To be fair, his apparent unease is not necessarily proof that Mr. Hitler was unfamiliar with firearms, much less fraudulent in his demonstration of military experience.

Remember as well that these clandestine transgressions of this administration follow a long record of constitutional disrespect?-whether trying to pack the Supreme Court with compliant justices, unilaterally turning over our destroyers to the United Kingdom, or, well before Pearl Harbor, ordering, by fiat, attacks on the high seas against German submarines. Such abuses of presidential authority, characterized by intrigue with British agents and unauthorized spying on foreign nationals, go a long way in explaining the German decision to declare war against us on December 8, 1941, presenting the United States with the present catastrophe of a two-front conflict.

We can envision that when this lamentable war is over, fought with such malfeasance, the real heroes will not be Gen. Marshall, Secretary Stimson, or yes-men like Gen Eisenhower, but courageous mavericks such as a Charles Lindbergh or Senator Robert Taft, who long ago warned us that we were provoking an unnecessary war, one that, as they feared, was subsequently to be waged barbarically and yet incompetently at the same time.

The final irony is that we may well end up friendlier with our current fascist enemies than with our Communist allies. It is not hard to envision a policy looming on the horizon that soon coddles Hitler's current friend Gen. Franco, while opposing his dire enemy Joseph Stalin. We have it on good authority that already there are postwar contingency plans to train and reform the Japanese and German militaries to serve as a bulwark against a Communist Soviet Union and a soon to be Communist China, as America readies for yet another war, one that may last not five, but 50 years. How ironic that a struggle that started out in 1939 to ensure a free Eastern Europe and China may well end up, at best, guaranteeing their enslavement to totalitarians every bit as cruel as Hitler and Tojo.

Citizens should not have to look to our actors and intellectuals for answers, but, in the absence of political accountability, they often do. After the release of The True Story of the B-17 Slaughter, Gary Cooper thankfully came forward to remind us how President Roosevelt took us into a British war that we were utterly unprepared for. Next look for Coop's recently completed and powerful American Gestapo this fall. Likewise, Jimmy Stewart remarked from the front lines above Germany (so unlike our president, who failed to serve in any of America's past wars) that it is hard to know who the real enemy is after we have bombed the children of Hamburg. And Clark Gable is currently preparing a documentary on the Pacific theater, 12/7, that outlines the racist nature of that campaign that seeks the extermination of all the living Japanese we encounter.

Finally, we welcome the upcoming courageous anthology edited by John Steinbeck, Ernest Hemingway, and William Faulkner, Worse Than Our Enemies?, that charts the near criminal direction of American foreign policy under this administration's plans of total and endless war, of preparing for a new imperial conflict against the Soviet Union before the current one with Germany and Japan is even over. It is in this context that the venerable John Ford recently resigned from the Navy, and instead will produce a series of films Why We Shouldn't Fight that will reveal what was really behind this needless campaign of annihilation against the Japanese.

?- Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 15 May, 2006 08:01 am
I understand the sentiment but today is a different world and this is a different war.

WW2 energized a nation since there was never any doubt of the risk to our security given the events in Europe and in Japan.

This war had to be sold as the risks were not clearly visible.

Todays media are generally not concerned with telling the story or the truth for that matter.
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