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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:29 pm
Especially when the folks are the police, otherwise known as the U.N.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:32 pm
okie wrote:
Especially when the folks are the police, otherwise known as the U.N.


Just as a reminder: UN, list of member states
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:37 pm
woiyo wrote:
The UN is making similar statements today about IRAN.

You trust their report as much as their report on IRAQ?


The weapon inspectors said that it was very unlikely that Iraq had something like chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons, or even a program.

However, the IAEO said that they think that the Iranian program has the potential of a nuclear weapons program. They recommended to bring it before the Security Council.

How do you make that into "similar statements"?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 01:37 pm
snood wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
revel wrote:
So you think because we can bomb and invade countries with no evidence of WMD or Nuclear Weapons (as was stated in the inspections report to the UN before the war) we are potent? I wonder what you think of wife beaters.


I think very little of wife beaters.

I also think very little of folks who tell a man to stop beating his wife, and when he doesn't stop, they warn him again ... and again .... and again ...

But I think an awful lot of folks who tell a man to stop beating his wife, and when he don't stop, they arrest him.


Yeah there's a vivid metaphor. But the problem is, when they went in the man's house to arrest him, they found no evidence of wife beating.


I agree, there was a valid warrant to search. Whent he search turned up nothing, they should leave the premise.

Good analogy with Iraq. We had a valid warrant, we looked, found nothing ...BUT FORGOT TO LEAVE.

We should have left immediately once we stopped looking for WMD.

I agree with you Snood. Good analogy!
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 02:29 pm
What about all the mass graves and now the Hussein tapes? No evidence of wife beating?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 02:50 pm
okie wrote:
What about all the mass graves and now the Hussein tapes? No evidence of wife beating?


No, you're wandering again. See, that's like the police getting a warrant for wife beating (WMDs), busting the door in and arresting somebody (Iraq invasion), then finding no evidence for wife beating (no WMDs) but finding some stashed bank robbery money(mass graves) and claiming that's what they were looking for in the first place!!

What your problem is, Okie, is that you have prejudged that whatever Bushco does is justifiable, so you willingly are led from justification to justification, parroting their words to us as you go. To more and more of the country, Repubs and Dems alike, this Emperor really is naked.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:02 pm
Naturally the evidence suggesting the WMD's were moved is conveniently forgotten or overlooked because it may suggest that WMD's existed and that would lend too much credibility to the invasion.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:07 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Naturally the evidence suggesting the WMD's were moved is conveniently forgotten or overlooked because it may suggest that WMD's existed and that would lend too much credibility to the invasion.


Dude, you are now officially clueless.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:10 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Naturally the evidence suggesting the WMD's were moved is conveniently forgotten or overlooked because it may suggest that WMD's existed and that would lend too much credibility to the invasion.


Uh, yeah.

Syria, right? Or... was that... China?

What's the latest conspiracy theory? It's kind of hard to keep up with them. Just like with those "The government was behind 9/11"-dudes...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:11 pm
old europe wrote:
woiyo wrote:
The UN is making similar statements today about IRAN.

You trust their report as much as their report on IRAQ?


The weapon inspectors said that it was very unlikely that Iraq had something like chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons, or even a program.

However, the IAEO said that they think that the Iranian program has the potential of a nuclear weapons program. They recommended to bring it before the Security Council.

How do you make that into "similar statements"?


Where do you get that 'the weapons inspectors said that it was very unlikely that Iraq had something like chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons, or even a program"? Everything I've read from the Duelfer Report, David McKay's testimony before Congress, etc. etc. etc. says that the inspectors were amazed that so little was found following the invasion. Initially, some weeks after the invasion, they concluded they were wrong. New information that has surfaced more recently, however, strongly suggests that they were not.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:13 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Where do you get that 'the weapons inspectors said that it was very unlikely that Iraq had something like chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons, or even a program"? Everything I've read from the Duelfer Report, David McKay's testimony before Congress, etc. etc. etc. says that the inspectors were amazed that so little was found following the invasion. Initially, some weeks after the invasion, they concluded they were wrong. New information that has surfaced more recently, however, strongly suggests that they were not.


Oh, I thought we were talking about the UN weapon inspectors.....

But of course, we can change the subject, no problem!
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:14 pm
The evidence that WMD did exist and was moved before the war does not fit the template, so the evidence is ignored now. History has been written in stone even though all the evidence is not all in. Also, it is assumed that all decisions are made on 20/20 hindsight, thus relieving any slick politician of any responsibility for their decisions. And snood, you conveniently forget the reasons to go to Iraq were multiple. It was not all about WMD. WMD ranked near the top, but there were other reasons, which are conveniently ignored.

So if the police find bank robbery money, they are supposed to ignore that since it wasn't what they were looking for primarily? The police are to let the bank robbers go free because they weren't beating their wives. Yes, that makes perfect logic. Also, the bank robbers had beat their wives a few years ago, and they probably still were, but the actual clubs used to beat them did not happen to be found yet.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:17 pm
okie wrote:
The evidence that WMD did exist and was moved before the war does not fit the template, so the evidence is ignored now.


No, okie, it is not ignored.

Show me the evidence. A link would be most appreciated. Go ahead.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:25 pm
Many links have already been given... did you miss them?
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:27 pm
Nope. China. I've noticed that.

I thought we were talking about evidence, McG.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:31 pm
Talk about ignoring something.

The right wants to act as if the BIG, MAJOR, LOUDLY-AND-REPETITIVELY-MADE-REASON for going to war was other than the WMDs. Mentioned in a dozen veiled threats about mushroom clouds, amped-up in a performance for the UN of which Colin Powell is now ashamed, drummed into the collective consciousness of the country until there was a palpable fear of imminent death all around.

NOW the right wants to act as if it was just a big grabbag of reasons, one being interchangeable with the others.

It's pitiful and a little scary. I sometimes think they believe their own BS.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:38 pm
So all those U.N. resolutions ignored and evaded by Saddam Hussein are a figment of our imagination?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:41 pm
Here is a whole thread dedicated to what you are whining about Snood. Please read it.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:53 pm
okie wrote:
So all those U.N. resolutions ignored and evaded by Saddam Hussein are a figment of our imagination?


No, and I'm not excusing anybody for not complying with UN resolutions (for some reason, Israel comes to my mind...).

But let me ask you a question, okie: if the United States were so offended that Saddam wasn't complying with the UN resolutions (even though, in the spring of '03, the UN inspectors said he was complying), why did the US consequently ignore the UN and invade Iraq almost unilaterally? Do you call that supporting the UN?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 03:54 pm
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Where do you get that 'the weapons inspectors said that it was very unlikely that Iraq had something like chemical or biological weapons, or nuclear weapons, or even a program"? Everything I've read from the Duelfer Report, David McKay's testimony before Congress, etc. etc. etc. says that the inspectors were amazed that so little was found following the invasion. Initially, some weeks after the invasion, they concluded they were wrong. New information that has surfaced more recently, however, strongly suggests that they were not.


Oh, I thought we were talking about the UN weapon inspectors.....

But of course, we can change the subject, no problem!


David Kay WAS a UN weapons inspector.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/01/28/kay.transcript/
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