Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

I'm still waiting for your backup of your rebuttal to my post, Cyclop.

Stradee wrote:

Is the war in Iraq the sole reason for violent fundamentalism throughout the world? I'm not in any way rationalizing the Iraq war - but am wondering if the rise of violence would have commenced had there been no September 11th attack, or ensueing invasion.

I ask the same questions regarding the Sudan.

All you have to do is look at the track record over decades, the many MANY terrorists attacks that occured and are occurring, and the horrendous abuse of human rights, including genocide, going on all around the world to know that 9/11, though larger scale than most, was just one more event; albeit the one event that made America and Britain say enough is enough.

The Islamofacist terrorists have one goal in mind and that is to put the world under the authority of Allah and Sharia. They use Iraq as propaganda and much of their efforts are now focused there, but they never needed Iraq for an excuse or incentive.

Foxfyre wrote:

Stradee wrote:

Is the war in Iraq the sole reason for violent fundamentalism throughout the world? I'm not in any way rationalizing the Iraq war - but am wondering if the rise of violence would have commenced had there been no September 11th attack, or ensueing invasion.

I ask the same questions regarding the Sudan.

All you have to do is look at the track record over decades, the many MANY terrorists attacks that occured and are occurring, and the horrendous abuse of human rights, including genocide, going on all around the world to know that 9/11, though larger scale than most, was just one more event; albeit the one event that made America and Britain say enough is enough.

The Islamofacist terrorists have one goal in mind and that is to put the world under the authority of Allah and Sharia. They use Iraq as propaganda and much of their efforts are now focused there, but they never needed Iraq for an excuse or incentive.

Bernie, Fox said that "Islamofiacist terrorist have one goal in mind...'
and i took that to mean jihad extremists.

Fox, don't you see how our involvement in Iraq feeds the mindset of strict extremest principles? I know the issues are far from simple, but we cannot hope to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people when they're dieing!

My 'backup' is predated on two things:

1, logic, and

2, common sense.

My above statement is presented as opinion. You are free to disagree with it; if I wanted to state it as a categorical fact, I would have provided supporting evidence, which I didn't care to do.

And, while we're waiting, I'm waiting on Okie, or anyone, to show an example of a nation which was conquered by terrorism.

Cycloptichorn

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has predicted Israel will collapse and warned that its allies face the "boiling wrath" of the people if they continue to support the Jewish state.

The renewed assault on Israel by Ahmadinejad -- who has been castigated by world powers for his frequent anti-Israeli outbursts -- came as tens of thousands marched through Tehran in an annual pro-Palestinian protest.

Sorry, your information simply isn't credible. It doesn't support your thesis that the goal of every Islamic terrorist is to take over the world for Islaam. It would be like extrapolating Dobson's words to apply to every Christian.

Cycloptichorn

Try Germany post WWII
Russia during the Bolshevik revolution.
And try most of the countries that are now under Islamic rule

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Try Germany post WWII
Russia during the Bolshevik revolution.
And try most of the countries that are now under Islamic rule

You're kidding about Germany, right? It was conquered through terrorism? How, exactly?

Same with the Bolshevik revloution. To claim that 'terrorism' conquered the country shows a huge lack of understanding of history.

I suggest you start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
Cycloptichorn

Well, so I understand you correctly, Foxfyre, that we were conquered pre-WWII by terrorism?

Why? You haven't shown any evidence that the Wikipedia article I posted is inaccurate in any way. Nor have you shown any positive evidence supporting the theory that terrorism conquered Russia during the Bolshevik revolution. By your standards, this is an admission that you concede the argument.

Cycloptichorn

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Well, so I understand you correctly, Foxfyre, that we were conquered pre-WWII by terrorism?

By utilization, at least in part, of terrorist tactics yes. I am saying that.

On October 23, 1917 (by the Julian calendar still in use in Russia at the time; November 5 by the current Gregorian calendar), Bolshevik leader Jaan Anvelt led his leftist revolutionaries in an uprising in Tallinn, the then capital of Estland. On October 25 (November 7), 1917 , Vladimir Lenin led his forces in the uprising in Petrograd, the capital of Russia, against the ineffective Kerensky Provisional Government. For the most part, the revolt in Petrograd was bloodless, with the Red Guards led by Bolsheviks taking over major government facilities with little opposition before finally launching an assault on the Winter Palace on the night from November 6 to November 7. The assault led by Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko was launched at 9:45 p.m. signalled by a blank shot from the cruiser Aurora. The Winter Palace was guarded by Cossacks, Women's Battalion, and cadets (military students) corps. It was taken at about 2 a.m. The latter date was made the official date of the Revolution. Later official accounts of the revolution from the Soviet Union would depict the events in October as being far more dramatic than they actually had been. (See first hand account by British General Knox). Official films made much later showed a huge storming of the Winter Palace and fierce fighting, but in reality the Bolshevik insurgents faced little or no opposition and were practically able to just walk into the building and take it over - more people were killed in the shooting of the film October than in the actual revolution. The insurrection was timed and organized to hand state power to the Second All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies which began on November 7.