Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Forget about Bush. He's toast. Constitutionally, above all
Forget about Bush. He's toast. Constitutionally, above all
by Alec Baldwin
10.01.2006

Forgeddaboutit!

Forget about Mark Foley. He's toast. Nothing will give the Republican base more hope than if the Democrats focus too much on "family values" vis a vis the Foley Scandal. Who knows how long before other Congressional e-mails surface with Democrats guilty of the same thing?

Don't rule that out.

Focus on Hastert. That do-nothing, lap dog Speaker of the House, who knew Foley was compromised and knew it quite a long time ago and did nothing, purely to maintain political power. Who saw the intelligence on Iraq, and knew what Bob Woodward is now all over the TV talking about and knew it a long time ago and did nothing, in order to maintain political power.

In two years, Bush will be gone. He will stay in Iraq to the end of the line, LBJ style, so that he can pass it off to the next guy (gal?). The only way to end the war is to vote for a Democratic Congress. The two lying, thieving oil whores in the White House won't do it. Rumsfeld, sadly, seems to simply not know how, as if crippled by some degenerative disease.

Hastert and Frist: two irresponsible fools who shirked their duty to the American people by letting the lunatics run the asylum without even a gesture of oversight or a note of opposition. Nothing. Nothing but shame on the Congress, shame on the people they represent back home and shame on the reputation of our great country around the world.

When you go into the voting booth this November, remember that it is not against the Republican Party that you must vote. It is against THIS Republican Party. The party not only of Bush and Cheney, but of Hastert and Frist, who let American soldiers die in Iraq unnecessarily. Who let Mark Foley exploit young men while Foley was working on the very Congressional committees charged with protecting children from people like Foley himself.

If Foley is guilty of the charges, hopefully someone in his life will do more for him than his Republican colleagues ever did and get him help. He may have a real problem. In the meantime, the Republicans in this Congress must go.

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Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected? Well, he has no credibility.

I have seen nobody who is supporting Foley's idiotic indecencies and frankly, I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

What Foley did, however, had absolutely nothing to do with the President and this is the Bush supporters thread. BBB's post would be far better suited to any of the several active Bush bashing threads out there.

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Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected? Well, he has no credibility.

Actually, since Baldwin never actually said this, it's you who has no credibility, Fox. Not that anyone needed yet another factual error in order to realize this fact, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin

Cycloptichorn

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Foxfyre

Foxfyre wrote:

Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected? Well, he has no credibility.

I have seen nobody who is supporting Foley's idiotic indecencies and frankly, I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

What Foley did, however, had absolutely nothing to do with the President and this is the Bush supporters thread. BBB's post would be far better suited to any of the several active Bush bashing threads out there.

As usual, you have your rose colored glasses and blinder on that won't let you admit the sage advise of Baldwin. He said you need not vote against your Republican Party. He suggested you would be wise to to not vote for the Bush version of the Republican Party. I posted his comments on your sacred site because I thought them wise.

Instead of considering whether Baldwin's advise is good and would benefit out country, you attack the author. A pitiful defense.

BBB

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected? Well, he has no credibility.

Actually, since Baldwin never actually said this, it's you who has no credibility, Fox. Not that anyone needed yet another factual error in order to realize this fact, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin

Cycloptichorn

Or, more accurately, Baldwin has since claimed he never said it. Of course he also said his wife, Kim Basinger, never had an interview with Focus magazine which quoted her saying Alec said it. He then flip-flopped and admitted she was indeed interviewed by Focus magazine.

It sounds as if Baldwin's credibility is what ought to be in question here.

LINK to Snopes.com

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Thanks, I read the link at Snopes.com before I posted.

The fact remains that noone has a quote of him saying it, and he said he never said it, so there doesn't exist much of a reason to think that he did say it. Just a bunch of the usual tripe from Republicans, who needs the truth when you have Moral Clarity(tm)?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Thanks, I read the link at Snopes.com before I posted.

The fact remains that noone has a quote of him saying it, and he said he never said it, so there doesn't exist much of a reason to think that he did say it. Just a bunch of the usual tripe from Republicans, who needs the truth when you have Moral Clarity(tm)?

Cycloptichorn

Yes, there is no quote of his saying it, but that doesn't require one to conclude, therefore, that it wasn't said. What we do have is a quote of his wife saying he said it, his subsequent denial that she even gave that magazine an interview, and then his later admission that she did. His claiming she did not give the interview was inaccurate, and therefore I believe the accuracy of the rest of what he said is called into question. Baldwin is no stranger to making bombastic remarks, and later apologizing for them.

In any event, you have no basis to assert Baldwin never said it, and your claim that Foxy has no credibility for mentioning it is ridiculous.

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What we do have is a quote of his wife saying he said it

Ah ah. You mean his estranged ex-wife. Slight difference. She actually claimed she 'inferred' it from statements that he made.

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his subsequent denial that she even gave that magazine an interview

Which he may not have known about as they were seperated at the time

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and then his later admission that she did.

Which is the right thing to do once he found out the interview was real.

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His claiming she did not give the interview was inaccurate, and therefore I believe the accuracy of the rest of what he said is called into question.

Tell me, given the inaccurate claims in the past, how do you feel about the Bush administration these days? You're all wet. Fox mentioned yet another non-fact as if it were actually a fact. The point that it isn't really known whether or not he said it doesn't make it okay to assert that he said it. It's the same kind of stupid reasoning that lead to the Iraq war, and it doesn't surprise me to see parrots echoing it in your caucus.

Cycloptichorn

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Baldwin's a windbag... who f**king cares?

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Not I, said the fish.

Sorry to derail the thread, just pointing out another instance of... well, let's be nice and say 'incorrectness' by a prominent Republican poster

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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What we do have is a quote of his wife saying he said it

Ah ah. You mean his estranged ex-wife. Slight difference. She actually claimed she 'inferred' it from statements that he made.

No, I mean his wife at the time. Her comment that she supposed she would have to move with him indicates that much. ("And then I'd probably have to go too.")

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his subsequent denial that she even gave that magazine an interview

Which he may not have known about as they were seperated at the time

Then he ought to not state as fact what he knows nothing about. And the fact that he did demonstrates his lack of credibility, as I said.

This is what Baldwin said: "I never said I'd leave the country, and my wife never heard of Focus magazine and never talked to them." Yet his wife indeed had heard of Focus magazine, and did talk to them.

Whether he actually said he'd leave the country or not, he has demonstrated time and again his propensity for talking out of his a$$.

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and then his later admission that she did.

Which is the right thing to do once he found out the interview was real.

Bully for him. Doesn't make his prior remark more accurate.

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His claiming she did not give the interview was inaccurate, and therefore I believe the accuracy of the rest of what he said is called into question.

Tell me, given the inaccurate claims in the past, how do you feel about the Bush administration these days? You're all wet. Fox mentioned yet another non-fact as if it were actually a fact. The point that it isn't really known whether or not he said it doesn't make it okay to assert that he said it. It's the same kind of stupid reasoning that lead to the Iraq war, and it doesn't surprise me to see parrots echoing it in your caucus.

Cycloptichorn

Nonsense. I never said Baldwin lied. I said he has a propensity for bombastic remarks, for talking out of his ass, and for being flat wrong about whether or not his wife gave that interview. And for him to claim that she never talked to the magazine, when she did, leads me to believe it more likely than not that she said what the magazine quoted her as saying (and to disbelieve anything he has to say about the matter). Which I understand is her impression of what he said. I'm not alleging that her interpretation is fact, I'm saying you cannot impugn Foxy's credibility for her claim that Baldwin made this statement, as quoted by his wife.

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I'm not alleging that her interpretation is fact, I'm saying you cannot impugn Foxy's credibility for her claim that Baldwin made this statement, as quoted by his wife.

Oh, I can and will continue to do so, thanks. And I'd be more than happy to start impugning yours as well if you want to keep pursuing it.

The easiest way to solve this, is: provide a link to Baldwin's quote, or be damned. You know you cannot, (there's nothing but hearsay) so there's no reason to suppose that he said it.

If you want to start believing hearsay, then there are quite a few conversations in which you've taken positions which could be looked at in a much different light, once hearsay is taken into effect...

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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I'm not alleging that her interpretation is fact, I'm saying you cannot impugn Foxy's credibility for her claim that Baldwin made this statement, as quoted by his wife.

Oh, I can and will continue to do so, thanks. And I'd be more than happy to start impugning yours as well if you want to keep pursuing it.

The easiest way to solve this, is: provide a link to Baldwin's quote, or be damned. You know you cannot, (there's nothing but hearsay) so there's no reason to suppose that he said it.

If you want to start believing hearsay, then there are quite a few conversations in which you've taken positions which could be looked at in a much different light, once hearsay is taken into effect...

Cycloptichorn

I believe he said it. There is nothing leading me to believe otherwise. It is certainly in keeping with his character and other comments he has made. I didn't realize he was a hero of yours, but I don't suppose I'm all that surprised.

Your suggestion that you are eager to start impugning my credibility is noted. I await your first effort.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
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I'm not alleging that her interpretation is fact, I'm saying you cannot impugn Foxy's credibility for her claim that Baldwin made this statement, as quoted by his wife.

Oh, I can and will continue to do so, thanks. And I'd be more than happy to start impugning yours as well if you want to keep pursuing it.

The easiest way to solve this, is: provide a link to Baldwin's quote, or be damned. You know you cannot, (there's nothing but hearsay) so there's no reason to suppose that he said it.

If you want to start believing hearsay, then there are quite a few conversations in which you've taken positions which could be looked at in a much different light, once hearsay is taken into effect...

Cycloptichorn

I believe he said it. There is nothing leading me to believe otherwise. It is certainly in keeping with his character and other comments he has made. I didn't realize he was a hero of yours, but I don't suppose I'm all that surprised.

Your suggestion that you are eager to start impugning my credibility is noted. I await your first effort.

It would be as easy as running a search for posts under your name; you do the effort yourself.

Baldwin isn't a hero of mine, I don't even like him; I just had a feeling that Fox, as usual, was talking out her ass, did a single minute of research, and found out that she was, as usual, talking out her ass, and decided to point it out. Other than his 'Scwhete balls' routing on SNL, he's pretty much as useless as the other Baldwins (with the notable exception of the one in Firefly, Adam? He actually is a good actor)

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Tico wrote:
Your suggestion that you are eager to start impugning my credibility is noted. I await your first effort.

It would be as easy as running a search for posts under your name; you do the effort yourself.

You just lost credibility by making the above remark.

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Baldwin isn't a hero of mine, I don't even like him; I just had a feeling that Fox, as usual, was talking out her ass, did a single minute of research, and found out that she was, as usual, talking out her ass, and decided to point it out. Other than his 'Scwhete balls' routing on SNL, he's pretty much as useless as the other Baldwins (with the notable exception of the one in Firefly, Adam? He actually is a good actor)

Cycloptichorn

No, you don't get off that easily. You said definitively that "he didn't say it," and said that because Foxy said he did, she has no credibility. Yet you have no proof to offer that he didn't say it, apart from his denial. Kim Basinger said he did ... he said he didn't .... who you gonna believe? (As I said earlier, I believe her and not him, because I believe Alec to be a smarmy, bombastic, gaseous windbag, fully capable of making the statement in question.) But instead of accurately stating that whether or not Alec said what Basinger said he did is questionable, or that he denies having said it, you make the bold claim that he never said it. And since you're bringing up credibility, I'm lead to point out that your doing so further calls into question your credibility.

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Re: Foxfyre

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected? Well, he has no credibility.

I have seen nobody who is supporting Foley's idiotic indecencies and frankly, I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

What Foley did, however, had absolutely nothing to do with the President and this is the Bush supporters thread. BBB's post would be far better suited to any of the several active Bush bashing threads out there.

As usual, you have your rose colored glasses and blinder on that won't let you admit the sage advise of Baldwin. He said you need not vote against your Republican Party. He suggested you would be wise to to not vote for the Bush version of the Republican Party. I posted his comments on your sacred site because I thought them wise.

Instead of considering whether Baldwin's advise is good and would benefit out country, you attack the author. A pitiful defense.

BBB

I attacked Baldwin because he is a sleazy political hack, not for the content of the article. I objected to the article as spam similar to much spam rudely posted on this thread by Bush bashers and pointed out it would be appropriate on one of the many Bush bashing threads, many of which you have started.

And instead of commenting on that, you attacked me. Now that's pitiful. Smile

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Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Tico wrote:
Your suggestion that you are eager to start impugning my credibility is noted. I await your first effort.

It would be as easy as running a search for posts under your name; you do the effort yourself.

You just lost credibility by making the above remark.

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Baldwin isn't a hero of mine, I don't even like him; I just had a feeling that Fox, as usual, was talking out her ass, did a single minute of research, and found out that she was, as usual, talking out her ass, and decided to point it out. Other than his 'Scwhete balls' routing on SNL, he's pretty much as useless as the other Baldwins (with the notable exception of the one in Firefly, Adam? He actually is a good actor)

Cycloptichorn

No, you don't get off that easily. You said definitively that "he didn't say it," and said that because Foxy said he did, she has no credibility. Yet you have no proof to offer that he didn't say it, apart from his denial. Kim Basinger said he did ... he said he didn't .... who you gonna believe? (As I said earlier, I believe her and not him, because I believe Alec to be a smarmy, bombastic, gaseous windbag, fully capable of making the statement in question.) But instead of accurately stating that whether or not Alec said what Basinger said he did is questionable, or that he denies having said it, you make the bold claim that he never said it. And since you're bringing up credibility, I'm lead to point out that your doing so further calls into question your credibility.

Sorry, you don't have the credibility to judge whether or not I've lost credibility.

Also, if you can't provide a link to someone making a statement, and all you have is hearsay that someone made the statement, there is no reason to believe the statement was made. In fact, Basinger 'interpreted' his statements as a 'promise to leave.' She never directly stated that he made the statement at all.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Sorry, you don't have the credibility to judge whether or not I've lost credibility.

Since you already lost your credibility with your initial remark, and I've yet to lose any, I think you're all wet.

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Also, if you can't provide a link to someone making a statement, and all you have is hearsay that someone made the statement, there is no reason to believe the statement was made.

Sure there is. The fact that something is hearsay does not mean it's not truth. Now, it may be true that there is no reason for you to believe the statement was made, because you think of Alec as some wonderful, patriotic American, who would never promise to move (you sure he's not your hero?), but that doesn't mean the statement was not made.

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In fact, Basinger 'interpreted' his statements as a 'promise to leave.' She never directly stated that he made the statement at all.

Yes, I've pointed out that Basinger had interpreted his statements, and already allowed that she could be wrong. But since that is the basis for the assertion that Baldwin made the alleged statement, it does not follow that he didn't make the statement based solely on his later denial (particularly when his denial was otherwise erroneous). And as I've pointed out already, your claim that it does affects your credibility, not mine.

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Since you already lost your credibility with your initial remark, and I've yet to lose any, I think you're all wet.

Who cares what you think? You don't have any credibility to judge my credibility.

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Sure there is. The fact that something is hearsay does not mean it's not truth.

No, it doesn't mean that it isn't truth, but it also doesn't mean that it is. To report hearsay as if it were truth is wrong to do. It's a simple as that, though, once again, it doesn't surprise me to see your party parroting the same line as your leaders do: reporting hearsay as if it were truth, then attacking anyone who has the temerity to point it out.

Since there is no original quote, no reporting that he did actually make that quote, and only 'interpretation' that he did, there is absolutely no reason to pursue this any further, other than the fact that you are a stubborn bastard who can't admit when he's wrong. My claim has been, from the beginning, that there is no evidence that he made the statement; claims that he did have been found to be without merit.

This whole argument is ridiculous, how far are you willing to bend over backwards just to win some petty squabble about a stupid Baldwin? Sheesh

Cycloptichorn

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Ticomaya wrote:

I'm not alleging that her interpretation is fact, I'm saying you cannot impugn Foxy's credibility for her claim that Baldwin made this statement, as quoted by his wife.

Not to stir the ****, but since she actually said:

Foxfyre wrote:

Would this be the same Alec Baldwin who proclaimed loudly and emphatically that he would leave the United States if Bush was elected?

Since he was never actually quoted as saying it, I think it's reasonable to accept that he didn't say it loudly and emphatically, certainly not for Fox's ears to ear.

However, I actually agree with her in this case: who gives a **** what <insert> Baldwin has to say. Can we now move on to continuing to support Bush long after it has become clear that he's not cut out for the job?

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