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Why insulting prophet Muhammad?!

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 12:38 pm
Fresco, I hope the pizza makers will not take offense. Here in the U.S. that joke uses the hot dog vendor.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 12:39 pm
Acqui--

I don't completely discard your point; however, I think you are stretching to compare the two in scope and impetus. But, it is good to forward that argument. It shouldn't be left out.

Dlowan besmirched brusselsjournal.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 12:41 pm
In California, in the 70s, Chicano militants put a stop to the Frito Bandito commercials.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:02 pm
JLNobody wrote:
In California, in the 70s, Chicano militants put a stop to the Frito Bandito commercials.


I can remember that. It seems so long ago!

Check this out:

http://64.41.109.149/school/bandito.html
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:06 pm
Thanks for the confirmation, Phoenix. Sometimes my memory conjures "events" that did not quite happen. This one did.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:07 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Thanks for the confirmation, Phoenix. Sometimes my memory conjures "events" that did not quite happen. This one did.


Thank God! I thought it was just me!

Anon
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:13 pm
Anon, I was just kidding; you ARE the only one! Twisted Evil


Sorry, Dyslexia made me do it. His style is infectuous.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:28 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Seems like this is the right thread for this.

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1642_0_25_0_C


That is a really interesting article, Freeduck. It's something I've been wondering about, yet not seen discussed much...in the context of how solid, really, can a belief system be when it is threatened by a few (pretty bad) cartoons?

The 'comments' section provided some rather unique analysis, as well, so thanks for posting.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:35 pm
Glad you liked it. I thought the comments were interesting, too.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:41 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Anon, I was just kidding; you ARE the only one! Twisted Evil


Sorry, Dyslexia made me do it. His style is infectuous.


If he goes to Chicago, I'm going to find a way to go just so I can kick his ass Exclamation

Anon
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:45 pm
I'll help you.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:46 pm
JLNobody wrote:
I'll help you.


Deal! :wink:

Anon
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 01:55 pm
I hope he doesn't read this thread--so that we can catch him by surprise. And run off with his lady, Diane.
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bluebaby
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 03:37 pm
au1929 wrote:
bluebaby
Why not. I have seen many a cartoon that mocked and were offensive to both Christianity and Judaism that stirred the juices of people of those faiths. However never have people of those faiths resorted to violence, burned embassies or threatened to kill over them. That it would seem to be limited to people of the Islamic faith.
I guess when you live in a tyrannical society that is all you understand.

I think if u saw something offensive to u and u didn't do anything as a reaction u r negative,iam not telling u that it's right to burn or to kill but at least to show your anger by any means <as u wish>Iam a MUSLIM (and proud to be so)and i felt offended and annoyed by those cartoons so, my reaction was to boycot the danish products ..reaction differs from one person to the other ,those who burned the embassy or acted in a violent way r not praised but this is their reaction ..Isee that most of the europeans and the americans can't understand the fact that here in the middle east religion is a fundemental and sacred thing u can insult any president,any country, any nation but when the matter approaches religion people r ready to sacrifice anything,even their lives,just understand this point and all the people will live together peacefully,,but don't provoke the people and offend them then come to say they r terrorists ,,let's forgive each other and live in peace
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 03:57 pm
Violence, even as a response to fighting words, cannot be justified.

Joe(there are many other means)Nation
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 04:21 pm
bluebaby wrote:
reaction differs from one person to the other ,those who burned the embassy or acted in a violent way r not praised but this is their reaction ..


sadly, for the most part they are also not condemned, be religious, take offence, but normal, rational people don't act that way
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 04:37 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Violence, even as a response to fighting words, cannot be justified.

Joe(there are many other means)Nation

The ends justify the means.
There, the impossible accomplished, what do I win?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 05:10 pm

Ehmm ...

I clicked your link.

All Dlowan said was, literally, "Lash's Brussels journal, a right wing publication, says Muslims are taking over Europe."

What part do you consider a "besmirchment": calling it a "right wing publication", or asserting that it had said that "Muslims are taking over Europe"?

I see she added a link re: the latter assertion, too. Its to an article originally published by Brussels Journal in which its said that "there is civil war brewing" in Europe, and that "Demographics are deciding the fate of Europe's democracy. Time is running out."

Looks like Dlowan's description was an apt enough paraphrasing, rather than a besmirchment.

I'm glad you posted this link, indirectly, though. A phrase at the top of the article struck out:

"certain areas of major European cities are no-go areas, especially at night and certainly if you are white"

So thats where you got that from. I remember when you asserted exactly that as The Truth about how it is, nowadays, in Europe, and you were laughed away by the Europeans on this board, who actually frequent those cities.

You got it from "The Intellectual Conservative"! Well, thats as reliable a source on European current events as you can find, I suppose... Razz

Anyway, any medium that seriously rhetoricizes about the "civil war" thats about to break out across Europe is indeed obviously far out of whack. Good to know I dont have to keep up with that website as well, then.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 05:22 pm
Lash wrote:
I might want to consider assassinations, as well, but those, and the things you mentioned, were perpetrated by an tiny minority.

Not so with sweeping riots across Europe---once again---by Muslims. I'm sure you would concede that.

Two things.

1) Could you clarify what "sweeping riots across Europe--once again" you are referring to, exactly?

I know that there's been protests at the Danish embassy in London, where there were calls for violence, but not actual violence, which I think is something of a prerequisite for something to be called a riot.

What (other) "riots sweeping across Europe" have there been, this weekend?

2) You say that what Acquiunk is talking about was "perpetrated by an tiny minority", while this is not true with the riots of Muslims in Europe now. So am I getting it right that you're saying that such riots are the work of more than a minority?

In that context, I think this news report (my summary, as always) might clarify things:

Quote:
Embassies ablaze as Muslim anger spreads [focus on the position of UK Muslims]

February 5
The Observer

The bitter row over the publication of controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad reached a new intensity last night as protesters set fire to embassies in Syria.

Meanwhile, UK police signalled it will investigate the behaviour of protesters in London who called for those insulting Islam to 'be beheaded'. 700 Muslims held a second day of angry protests outside the London embassy of Denmark, many holding placards glorifying the events of 7 July and 9/11.

Some of those identified by police last week included members of Hizb ut-Tahrir, the radical organisation banned in a number of European countries and Anjem Choudary, a key ally of Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, the exiled leader of al-Muhajiroun who described the 7 July bombers as 'the fantastic four'.

Choudary warned that 'the Danish journalists and others who followed suit" aren't "going to be able to live peacefully from now on .. what happened to Salman Rushdie is going to happen to the journalists."

British Muslim groups however appealed for calm, saying the demonstrations and violence had gone too far.

Britain's leading Muslim body, the Muslim Council of Britain called for the protesters to be prosecuted. Inayat Bunglawala said: The "police should now consider all the evidence they have gathered from the protests to see if they can prosecute the extremists. Ordinary Muslims are fed up with them."

Kurshid Ahmed of the British Muslim Forum, which represents more than 600 British mosques, said: 'The reaction and demonstration by some elements within our community are not reflective of who we are."

Azhar Ali, of Labour's National Policy Forum, said: 'My fear is .. militant organisations will use this incident" and it will serve "to act as a recruiting sergeant for their causes."

So what's the minority view, and what the majority view among UK Muslims?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 5 Feb, 2006 06:07 pm
nimh wrote:
So thats where you got that from. I remember when you asserted exactly that as The Truth about how it is, nowadays, in Europe, and you were laughed away by the Europeans on this board, who actually frequent those cities.

You got it from "The Intellectual Conservative"! Well, thats as reliable a source on European current events as you can find, I suppose... Razz.

OK -- scrap all of that bit. My bad, apologies to Lash. My memory was bad.

It wasnt Lash at all who had come up with that -- in fact, it was in a column that Steve had linked in, and it was me who lifted it out of it!!

So, bull **** tho it may be (whether asserted in that column or in Brussels Journal / Intellectual Conservative), Lash had nothing to do with it.

Its just I vividly remembered being dumbstruck at the assertion re: Rotterdam, in particular - see this post
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