I would like to remark...
The way this thread was started was that someone came in and most people were rude to them (maybe their question was not phrased all that well) and they never replied again, even once... (that I can see) and everyone went on talking with each other...
I would really have rather have heard more of what they had to say...
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:chris2a wrote:...
Try asking some of our Muslim brothers the literal translation of the word "sin" in arabic. It may help in establishing some intercultural perceptions.
And while your at it, ask them the literal translation of the word "martyr" in arabic.
No. Too much pain for not enough gain. But you can if you want.
Oh no. My wife just reminded me that we are not supposed to talk to muslims. They are non-believers.
chris2a wrote:Steve (as 41oo) wrote:chris2a wrote:...
Try asking some of our Muslim brothers the literal translation of the word "sin" in arabic. It may help in establishing some intercultural perceptions.
And while your at it, ask them the literal translation of the word "martyr" in arabic.
No. Too much pain for not enough gain. But you can if you want.
Oh no. My wife just reminded me that we are not supposed to talk to muslims. They are non-believers.
Who knows who is "non-believing"?
Not unless Indonesia has moved to Europe.
Do as I say not as I do. Cartoons found in the newspapers of the Moslem world.
http://www.adl.org/cartoon_campaign/default_slide_show.asp
The hypocrisy angle is compelling. I was thinking of a comparable cartoon that worked for another religion. I think that just dissing israelis or jews isn't quite to the level of something like this. How about a cartoon of Moses telling his chosen people that God says to kill all the Palestinian children? Or Jesus in a US military uniform, telling the kid with the hood on his head who thinks he's hooked up to wires that he'll die if he moves.
Neither of these images would cause me to protest or to riot, mind you, but I don't think the kinds of anti-Jewish images usually touted to show hypocrisy rise to the same level as the cartoons we're talking about. But then again, I'm not a religious person so what do I know.
Funny, we are in day 12 of rioting and protests over this cartoon and everybody that is not a Muslim appears to have lost interest in it. Yet, these morons are still rioting and getting them selves killed for nothing.
It's incomprehensible that these people don't care enough about the war in Iraq to protest, but they riot for almost two weeks over a stupid cartoon. Has anybody figured out what's wrong with these people? Don't they know that nobody is listening to them anymore, the entire world is laughing at them now and that they are accomplishing nothing but making them selves look stupid?
roverroad
Religion does strange things to people.
people do strange things to religion
dyslexia wrote:people do strange things to religion
Religion is man made, truth is God made...
people combined with religion combined with god results in the absense of truth.
Around 150 high school students from ethnic minorities in the southern city of Maastricht have burned a Danish flag in protest at the publication in Denmark of cartoons satirising the prophet Mohammad. It is the first such incident in the Netherlands.
On Thursday evening conservative VVD MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali attacked Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, saying she wished he had as much courage as Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen. In a reaction, the Dutch prime minister today said such statements would not help to calm the conflict.
Radio Netherlands
-Ed Contributor
The Islam Gap
By KARIM RASLAN
Published: February 15, 2006
Jakarta, Indonesia
SOUTHEAST Asian Muslims have not been roiled by a clash of civilizations. Rather, people like me ?- Western-trained, English-speaking and constantly traveling ?- have begun to see the subtle differences that fracture our civilizations from within.
Whether we are conservative or liberal, many of us are appalled and angered by the stupidity and insensitivity of the Danish newspaper cartoons. But that doesn't mean we've taken leave of our senses. I, for one, won't be throwing out my Lego set or my Bang & Olufsen sound system, let alone plotting to unveil a Zionist conspiracy. I may be a Muslim, but I can tell the difference between a newspaper and a people, a country and a principle.
Even Din Syamsuddin, the head of Indonesia's 30 million strong Muhammadiyah Muslim association (and a firebrand by most accounts), told his followers to remain calm: "I urge Muslims not to overreact and act in a violent and anarchist way because those things are completely against Islamic teachings."
We generally believe that anger and violence are self-defeating. The region's moderate leaders, like Malaysia's prime minister, Abdullah Badawi, and Indonesia's president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, exemplify this belief. Both men have criticized the cartoons. "The rights of press freedom are not absolute; whatever the faith, we must respect it," President Yudhoyono said. Still, neither he nor Mr. Abdullah has advocated boycotting Danish products or ending relations, although hotheads in both countries have called for such radical steps.
To be sure, there have been some copycat demonstrations in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta, as well as attacks on the Danish and American consulates in Indonesia's second-largest city, Surabaya. But the extensive violence and ugly rhetoric we are seeing broadcast from elsewhere in the Muslim world point to differences between the Arab-Muslim heartland and the Indo-Malay periphery.
Yes, we are part of the extended family of believers, the ummah. We cannot help but feel some sense of solidarity with our co-religionists in Damascus, Tehran or Cairo. But the explosiveness of the Arab street doesn't translate, somehow, to the tropics. Many of us have a growing suspicion that we are culturally different from our Arabic- and Urdu-speaking brethren, perhaps more tolerant and less emotional.
I am reminded of how uncomfortable I felt last year when traveling through Saudi Arabia, surrounded by a people I found disquietingly alien. For all we share as Muslims, we Southeast Asians don't really know what it's like to inhabit the cultures or politics of the Middle East.
Nor is the West a unitary culture. Europe's fervent secularism reminds me that the nation of the Great Satan, with its crowded churches and Sunday preachers who fill sports stadiums, is actually more like my world than Europe is.
FreeDuck wrote:
Not unless Indonesia has moved to Europe.
Maybe Al Gore's speech was not effective enough? Maybe he should have made his backstab America (and Europe in the process) purpose more known?
What a slime bag he is...
I can't believe I voted for the stupid jerk.
Thank God we have a president (Bush) with some courage and respect for the ethical balance of the US government's policies and military. Unlike when he (Gore) was "creating the internet" bubble while the USS Cole was being bombed...
This was an atrocity committed on HIS DAMN WATCH! You are a failure Al Gore. Even Dan Quale has a better political strategy than you... 9/11 was because YOU Al Gore were not on your guard looking out for the better interest of US security and safety...
Al, I would suggest a hunting trip with a REAL vice president that gets things done...
