nimh wrote:Lord Ellpus wrote:I am sure that the majority of mainstream muslim followers quietly cheer their brethren, and just pay lip service to us infidels when they say that these hotheads don't represent their religion.
What do you base this on, LE? When the largest organisation of Muslims in Britain (the Muslim Council of Britain) actually called on the police to prosecute these protesters?
Its leader said: "The police should now consider all the evidence they have gathered from the protests to see if they can prosecute the extremists. [..] Ordinary Muslims are fed up with them."
The basis for which I say that I am sure, comes from the basis that I am sure, period.
It is the same as "in my opinion". If I wanted to state it as fact, I would have done, and then faced calls to provide the evidence.
I work day in and day out, with muslim males who have offended in the past and are subject to community orders.
One of the main conditions of a probation order is that they attend regular interviews with their designated officer, in order to discuss their offending behaviour, which invarioubly leads to discussing their life in more general terms.
Some of these orders are for a period of a year or more, so in that time I get to know a person quite well.
The basis that I am sure, comes from the fact that, no matter how many times the conversation turns to their religion, and more specifically the awful events on 7/7, I have never, ever heard one of them say that it was wrong, or denounce it in any way.
It is all well and good for their supposed leaders to say that they have had enough, but where were they, and what did they do, when the evil men moved into their mosques to fill these young muslims with such insensitivity and intolerance?
You read newsbites from muslim leaders, I talk to their young (and not so young) "street" muslims on a daily basis.
I am sure that the majority of the lads I work with are "sad", as opposed to bad or mad, so the likelihood that they would get wrapped up in the serious stuff is pretty minimal.
But they will always have some form of warped justifucation for 7/7, or 9/11. I actually had one say that he was proud that it was muslims who "shafted" the west.
So, I say again, that I am sure that the majority of British muslims sympathise with the nutters cause which resulted in the awful scenes over the weekend.
Their muslim council are merely acknowledging that they have a runaway train. They could have applied the brakes a long time ago, but chose, either through fear, collusion or stupidity, to let it continue to pick up speed.
Now it is the police who are getting the blame for not arresting them, basically because THEY feared the "Political correctness brigade", who would have come down on them like a ton of bricks if a poor fake bomber had been given a bloody nose in the process.
But there is a serious issue of free speech here. I've seen a lot worse cartoons featuring Mohammed than the ones that caused this fight, some really offensive ones that I would want nothing to do with. But I say again the Danish cartoons raised serious points. For 'us' to be threatened with death because 'they' are offended by cartoons they probably haven't seen is completely unacceptable.
