Personally, I think that this could get very serious indeed, in Britain.
Photos of these fanatical maniacs dressed as fake bombers and carrying such vile, moronic banners, protesting against our hard won freedoms of speech and expression, have started to cause a massive wave of anger against Muslims in general, throughout the UK.
I am sure that the majority of mainstream muslim followers quietly cheer their brethren, and just pay lip service to us infidels when they say that these hotheads don't represent their religion.
I will now say something that may cause offence, but I don't really care, as the time for unneccesary political correctness is over.
I found it rather galling to watch Muslims on TV last night, saying that the freedom of speech that our nation (speaking purely for the UK now) fought to achieve and protect, doesn't extend as far as material that is perceived to be an insult to Islam.
Well, bugger what they think!
If they want to live in a country which sets limits to the amount of such freedoms as speech and expression, then why don't they all f*ck off to Iran, and take their placards and rucksack bombs with them.
I tell you now, if I, a very boring moderate middle of the road Englishman is feeling rage at this time, I can foresee some major rioting going on when the sh*t hits the fan in places like Sheffield, Bradford, Manchester and Liverpool.
I think that every true Briton was sickened to their core, seeing what those nutters were doing in London over the weekend.
Mr Muslim, you either become civilised in your ways regarding these piffling matters, and put a stop to your fanatics, or you will reap the backlash.
Unpleasant, but true.
Anon-Voter wrote:Well, we've got a cheese sandwich with the image of Mary on it, what do you have to say about that??
Anon
I can do better than a cheese sandwich. I actually know a GIRL called Mary. Moreover she used to be a virgin.
Serious question, LE. What might you perceive the backlash to be?
JB, it is well known that there are, and have been for sometime, undercurrents in our big towns/cities that have a large muslim population.
The main hotspots would be the North of England, where there could be a domino effect of rioting. Bradford, Leeds, Sheffield, Liverpool, possibly Manchester....could go into car burning mode, if this madness was to carry on much longer.
These towns and cities are mainly what you would call "blue collar" and are heavily populated with the sort of people who wouldn't back down from a fight.
The British National Party (BNP), which is basically a fascist organisation, have made quite a few inroads up there, and some of their people have actually won local elections, becoming councillors at the town hall.
There were some mini riots not so long ago (was it Sheffield?or Bradford?) which was all about racial tension.
If our wonderful tabloid newspapers stoke things up, and these moronic militant muslims carry on giving them reason to splash pictures of young nutters wearing fake bomb belts, I would like to bet that the BNP would be in there, fanning the flames.
The BIG plus in all of this, is that it is still winter, and is freezing cold out there. If this was a warm dry summer spell, young lads from both sides would be out there kicking lumps out of each other, and then the fun would REALLY kick off.
Maybe I'm being alarmist, but I have spent the day chatting to various people, ranging fom policemen, through to lawyers AND offenders (I'm a Probation officer, just in case you didn't know), and they all say that the mood is even angrier than immediately post 7/7.
7/7, was all about trying to understand, and sympathising with the bereaved, whilst the muslim leaders were trying to assure us that it was nothing to do with them, and they were really peaceful people.
THIS latest sh*t, is all about power and intimidation, by LARGE numbers of young muslims, and it has got everyone riled.
The general feeling here now is, "How dare they?....Who the f*ck do they think they are? "
Lord Ellpus wrote:I will now say something that may cause offence, but I don't really care, as the time for unneccesary political correctness is over.
Well I agree, when religiously inspired people put bombs on the Tube, and then threaten more because a cartoon shows Mohammed as a bomber, it is indeed time for some plain speaking.
I dont hate Muslims or Hindus or Christians or Jews. But I do hate bad ideas which can do us real harm, whether its promises of paradise and virgins to a frustrated young man from Bradford, or a six year old girl "obviously" possessed by the spirit of kindoki.
We all have a duty to expose these ideas for the wicked nonsense they are. And if that means treading on a few religious sensibilities so be it.
Lord Ellpus,
I am so sorry that you and your country (and anyone else) are going through this. This is just terrible. When is it going to stop? When are we going to stop trying to destroy each other just because we are different?
This has gone from being offended to becoming murderous. Please stay safe, Lord Ellpus.
The sickest thing in all of this, is that if anyone were to pick up a "newspaper" published in an Islamic country, chances are that it will be filled with hateful and insulting bile, directed at the christian faith.
Now they run around, acting worse than animals, just because someone has drawn a couple of pictures of their paedophile prophet.
The hypocrisy of it all.
I would like to see how a similar christian demonstration in Tehran would have been dealt with.
Momma Angel wrote:Lord Ellpus,
I am so sorry that you and your country (and anyone else) are going through this. This is just terrible. When is it going to stop? When are we going to stop trying to destroy each other just because we are different?
This has gone from being offended to becoming murderous. Please stay safe, Lord Ellpus.
Don't worry about me, MA. I am far too old to go out at night, and anyway, I live in a quiet area of town.
This may never happen, but I have an ominous feeling about it all.
Lord Ellpus wrote:
...The hypocrisy of it all.
I would like to see how a similar christian demonstration in Tehran would have been dealt with.
I agree on the hypocrisy. It's the outcome of most fundamentalism.
On the christian demonstration in Tehran, I think the machine-gun carrying populace would deal with it in very short order. They only have one definition of 'right'.
Lord Ellpus,
I fear you are correct in your assessment of the mood of the average Brit. We tend to be an sedate lot, but when normally placid guys like my decorator starts ranting over his mug of tea it's a clear signal that "summuts-up" !
Calm down lads.Things are not that bad.Media are getting cheap input.Winding it all up.It's a national sport.Gives everybody a chance to blow off some steam generated by nagging or bosses.
You are giving our faithful allies a fright.Momma sounds like she's quaking in her boots fearing for the safety of our noble probation officer (that was an error sir).He's as safe as a babe in a cot on a secret airbase.
It might all have been organised by somebody to prepare public opinion for some restrictions on demonstrating.Or for easing restrictions on deportations.
It's good fun and especially watching his worship's eye pop and that vein on the side of his conker throb.
The previous century saw the worst carnage in human history in the name of outreach.This lot are amateurs.One does have to keep a sense of proportion.
spendius,
Momma Angel is not quaking in her boots. I was expressing concern for Lord Ellpus, as he does seem rather upset by this situation, and I would say rightly so since it involves his country and countrymen.
I do not think that anyone should exacerbate the situation, true, but I do believe that we should all be aware. I am praying this situation dies down and a sense of peace of mind is restored to all concerned.
For my own part Momma I'm placing my faith in our wise government.If your prayers are of assistance so much the better.
Spendius,
Well, I don't see that they can hurt. So, guess we will just do our parts and see what happens. Perhaps together, it will all be okay.
spendius wrote:Calm down lads.Things are not that bad.Media are getting cheap input.Winding it all up.It's a national sport.Gives everybody a chance to blow off some steam generated by nagging or bosses.
You are giving our faithful allies a fright.Momma sounds like she's quaking in her boots fearing for the safety of our noble probation officer (that was an error sir).He's as safe as a babe in a cot on a secret airbase.
It might all have been organised by somebody to prepare public opinion for some restrictions on demonstrating.Or for easing restrictions on deportations.
It's good fun and especially watching his worship's eye pop and that vein on the side of his conker throb.
The previous century saw the worst carnage in human history in the name of outreach.This lot are amateurs.One does have to keep a sense of proportion.
Spendy, sometimes I absolutely agree with what you say, if I can make out what you are saying.
Other times I think you are being a prat.
I will get back to you on this one.
Your Lordship
When have I been a prat.I'd like to know then I can avoid doing it again.
Lord Ellpus wrote:I am sure that the majority of mainstream muslim followers quietly cheer their brethren, and just pay lip service to us infidels when they say that these hotheads don't represent their religion.
What do you base this on, LE? When the largest organisation of Muslims in Britain (the Muslim Council of Britain) actually called on the police to prosecute these protesters?
Its leader said: "The police should now consider all the evidence they have gathered from the protests to see if they can prosecute the extremists. [..] Ordinary Muslims are fed up with them."
Lord Ellpus wrote:Mr Muslim, you either become civilised in your ways regarding these piffling matters, and put a stop to your fanatics, or you will reap the backlash.
How do you propose Ali from the grocery shop around the corner - or the leader of the Muslim Council of Britain, for that matter - to "put a stop" to "their" fanatics?
'The Muslims of Britain' are not exactly like a tightly run organisation ... they come from dozens of countries, belong to hundreds of mosques belonging to dozens of different strands, none of whom necessarily agree much ... some are first generation, some second, some third ...
It's like some continental European, after the Heyzel drama or something, saying: "Mr. Brit, put a stop to your hooligans, or else!" How able would you have felt to follow up on that request?
Lord Ellpus wrote:There were some mini riots not so long ago (was it Sheffield?or Bradford?) which was all about racial tension.
Bradford.
Lord Ellpus wrote:If our wonderful tabloid newspapers stoke things up, and these moronic militant muslims carry on giving them reason to splash pictures of young nutters wearing fake bomb belts, I would like to bet that the BNP would be in there, fanning the flames.
You're spot on.
I'm sure everyone here shares your ominous feeling..
Lord Ellpus wrote:The BIG plus in all of this, is that it is still winter, and is freezing cold out there. If this was a warm dry summer spell, young lads from both sides would be out there kicking lumps out of each other, and then the fun would REALLY kick off.
Hah! Yup. Thats true..
Lord Ellpus wrote:The sickest thing in all of this, is that if anyone were to pick up a "newspaper" published in an Islamic country, chances are that it will be filled with hateful and insulting bile, directed at the christian faith.
Jewish faith. Directed at the Jewish faith, yep.
That is, I dunno about their newspapers, but I saw translated news broadcasts from three Arabic news broadcasts ... Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya were mostly as reasonable as any Western station, but the third one ... I forget its name ... the station of the Lebanese Hizbollah ... it was the veritable Arabic equivalent of Nazi propaganda. Absolutely horrid, frightening. Al-Manar, I think it was.
