In all honesty (part 2)

Phoenix32890 wrote:

I think that this entire matter, and the poster in question, are being given much more attention than they really deserve. The facts are the facts, and no amount of waffling, subterfuge, hollow excuses followed by half assed attacks, whining, pissing and moaning will take away from the core of this issue.

A member lied, big time, and then attempted to excuse the behavior through some of the most underhanded tactics that I have had the dubious "pleasure" to observe. Personally, the entire matter sickens me.

Oh, come on, Phoenix. It's Momma Angel. What would you expect? She got caught with her pants down, and now a lot of people are taking advantage (that sounds wrong... you know what I mean). I agree with you, the story is not all that newsworthy. I just don't see why so many people are so shocked (or even sickened) by all of it. It's kind of interesting, but what's the big deal? (I guess that's basically what you're saying, huh?)

I think you should crawl back in the coal hole and think this entire episode over again, young lady, and don't come out until you have a good answer for all this mess . . .


Eppie in the toal hole . . .

Not quite over.

So many good things have been said here.

NIMH - you are now officially my personal hero.

You have so exactly stated so many things I've been thinking for a long time. And yes, I am proud to admit I am the person who found that warrior spirt site. the one that caused MA to beam over and start with her usual line of tripe.

MA - from the day you arrived at A2K, I've had my doubts about you....and expressed them clearly. It's not the religion per se, I think no matter what cause you had you would still be obtuse, hypocritical, and in my mind, sneaky as a snake.

For a while I butted my head against the wall with you trying to get her to stop speaking in twisting pretzels. It no good pointing inconsistancies out to her, since she's a very good dancer.

You and I pretty much parted ways when I made a statement about things in the Bible being intrerpeted and that's fine. I never felt you let it get in the way of your honesty and I didn't let it cloud my perception of you.

MA's denial of lying reminds me very much of the problem of pedophile priests.....If someone out in the parish moslested a child, it's a sin. If a priest does it, the church talks all around it, trying to get one of their own out of a scrape.

Chai Tea, I have covered this. As far as I'm concerned, it's done. I explained it all and my explanation is not going to change.

And MA, I don't want to hear from you how my analogy is so off. it's not the events, it's the feeling it produces in my gut.

lil'k said something about learning all this made her want to puke. me too.

There's a big divide on whether "fragile" people should be confronted or comforted and understood....

My position is that in life if you meet someone who appears mentally fragile, treat them with kindness and care.....UNTIL you realize they are simply using this "weakness" for lack of a better word, to get away with figurative murder.

I've been informed many times that I am blunt.
Yes, I am.

MA - you asked me recently on another thread why I had to be the one to point out someones ignorance. Well, why shouldn't it be me? Someone's got to acknowledge the elephant in the room

Little things, like saying you're not coming back (both here, and on another site) and then claiming you're not lying, you're "changing your mind"......How convenient.

And you have never said something in your life that you meant at the time and then changed your mind about it? I was very upset about what had happened with Phoenix. I wasn't coming back. Phoenix and I have had many conversations outside of A2K and though she doesn't agree with my beliefs at all, she always asked me about something instead of accusing me. It really took me aback when that happened. I understand now what happened but, I didn't then.

After months of listening to your platitudes on this site, I had such a viseral reaction to your now famous "call to arms" post on the other site.

Well, that's because you are taking it as if I was actually declaring war. I explained what I meant. Why are you all so afraid of prayers or more Christians posting in the Spirituality & Religion forum?

No longer where you the Jesus loving, mild MA.....I literally was imagining the last section of the movie Fantasia, where this dark entity was rising up out of the top of a mountain, spreading it's powerful wings and calling his minions around.

Well, I think that's a bit harsh but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

It frightened me, and not in the way that I would be scared of God.

Hey, I gotta go...

Happy Thursday everyone.

Oh and MA, please, I beg you, don't respond to me with your tripe of "if that the way you feel"

I got so sick of that, so long ago.

No problem. Wouldn't dream of saying it.

Again, thanks nimh, you made my day.

And just for the record Chai Tea, I did a search of the day that I posted to you about your "Busted" post. It was my first post of that day. Yes, I did post in others after it. But, I responded to that post because you drug me into it with your accusation. You drug me into it because I felt the need to let everyone know this was a deal with ME and no one else. If anything, please just respect the people on that other site. I have apologized to them for this mess and I probably won't be doing a lot of posting there for awhile. If you would all just leave them out of it this would all be finished.

Personally, I'm done with it. I'm not explaining anything else. I have told you the truth. If you don't accept it, then you don't.

Phoenix32890 wrote:

I think that this entire matter, and the poster in question, are being given much more attention than they really deserve. The facts are the facts, and no amount of waffling, subterfuge, hollow excuses followed by half assed attacks, whining, pissing and moaning will take away from the core of this issue.

A member lied, big time, and then attempted to excuse the behavior through some of the most underhanded tactics that I have had the dubious "pleasure" to observe. Personally, the entire matter sickens me.

Oh, come on, Phoenix. It's Momma Angel. What would you expect? She got caught with her pants down, and now a lot of people are taking advantage (that sounds wrong... you know what I mean). I agree with you, the story is not all that newsworthy. I just don't see why so many people are so shocked (or even sickened) by all of it. It's kind of interesting, but what's the big deal? (I guess that's basically what you're saying, huh?)

What you think about whether or not it should be forgotten, whether or not people should move on, Phoenix, doesn't determine the relevance of this thread. The author of this thread has a valid concern about the activities of people here who have hoped to significantly alter this site to suit their personal imaginary friend superstition--i agree that this is something about which to be concerned.

As long as people like MOAN are here, indulging in special pleading about what offends them in people's remarks about their imaginary friend, we've got a problem which needs to be addressed.

I don't mind that folks like MOAN subscribe to an idiotic superstition--i do mind that they would attempt to silence criticism.

So, Lash and Dys, and all of the others of like mind (the "there goes the neighborhood" crowd. Yeah, Tico has you pegged all right) do you not have the courage to post in a forum where your view may be in the minority on some occasions?
What freakish fool would say such an ignorant pile of ****? I've been the minority on more issues than any other member here.

conclusion: A2K taught me that forcing your religion onto others will never work, and that even if i sit infront of the computer all my life, therell always be others who will disagree with me. so i will show the true side of islam, the true beautiful islam through myself by being kind, and doing good, and helping others.... and representing.

Your assessment is without merit, and my concern is real, not alleged--a topic on which i am qualified to speak and you are not.

It is now well-known that MOAN attempted to recruit people from at least one other site to come to this site in the attempt to make it less critical of her imaginary friend superstition. It is perfectly reasonable to object to any attempt to silence dissent, even if a failed attempt.

I certainly do not need, nor do i want, your approval to have a point of view.