Defining issues of today's politics / Left vs Right

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

However, I can't see a lot of socialistic ideas (if any) within the Democratic party. And I've never noticed any Marxim outside the old styl communist parties within the last 30, 40 years. Anywhere.

As the last few posts illustrates, my mere suggestion that a little socialism and communism might exist in the U.S., brought the rats out of the haystack, as they would say in Oklahoma. I mentioned also the presence of numerous socialist, marxist, and communist professors on the college campuses around the country, and that brought more insults raining down on me. Then I made a few comments about the college course, "American Holocaust," and more insults.

Which leads me to a question of some of you here, Parados, dyslexia, Setanta, etc., what are your chosen political beliefs in all honesty?

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okie,
The protestations are in response to your ludicrous statements.

You continue to make claims that are in no way related to reality. There is no reason we should accept those statements as if they were fact. They are so out there one begins to wonder if you have tinfoil on all your windows to protect you from the liberals.

You make statements without evidence like the following...

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but it is my opinion that the current Democratic Party has leaders that subscribed to socialist, communist, and marxist philosophies in their college years,

Hardly a "suggestion of a little" when you ascribe it to current Democractic leaders as you have. When asked for evidence of that you brush it aside as an attack on you. Maybe you could provide some evidence to back it up. Without it you deserve scorn and ridicule.

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There are courses titled things like, the "American Holocaust," just another run of the mill class like countless others like it, wherein the professor educates the poor kids about how the evil Europeans massacred all the Indians they could and instituted their evil capitalism on the country.

You did not talk about the college course. You insinuated that that there are lots of classes in colleges that talk about the "American Holocaust." A completely ludicrous statement.

You can't even be honest about your own statements okie. You now mischaracterize your own mischaracterizations.

I point out that Hillary holds the same opinion as the law in the state where you live and you ignore that fact and continue on about how her viewpoint violates the constitution then you never respond when I ask how the hell it can possibly violate the constitution. You do nothing but move from outlandish claim to outlandish claim while failing to ever address any of the facts listed here that dispute your claims. Your posts are bizarre in a fascinating kind of way but don't expect us to accept them or treat you with some kind of kid gloves when you can't support them in any way.

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I asked you a question. What is your political philosophy? I should have tried to get you to clarify your position before even starting this. It helps alot to know where you sit politically to understand where you stand on any issue, especially on this thread.

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You have yet to refine your 21 points to some objective standard of measure. Do that and maybe we can talk about where people are on the scale.

I've asked you SEVERAL times to do it.

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So you can't answer a simple question about your philosophy?

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LOL.. Gee.. when you answer mine I will answer yours. You have not even made an atttempt which was the ENTIRE POINT of this thread to begin with.

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I started this thread, I outlined my ideas, I was up front with all of my beliefs. Mostly what I get are you and others shooting me down. And whats been accomplished. Nothing much. I am fully and openly and proudly conservative, have stated my beliefs and why. And you won't answer one simple question about your political philosophy?

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I am left of center.. .

Now - define your issues in a rational and logical fashion.

Your crap should be shot down. Most of what you post is not supported by facts. If you don't like that you can't support what you post then don't post it. Don't expect others to accept it at face value without some support. In your time on A2K I have never seen you be able to back up anything you have been questioned on. You just pretend the questions aren't asked and go your merry way repeating it later as if it was still true.

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You didn't like what I did with the 21 points. Its your turn. Make up your own new ones or put the details next to each of the 21 on how you want to rate them.

P.S. If you are left of center, that makes you distinctly left. Are you a socialist or a communist, or just a liberal free market person?

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okie,

Go throw your bombs elsewhere.

I did point out problems and made suggestions .. YOU NEVER RESPONDED Instead you went off on other tangents.

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Parados, you did a great job in my opinion of laying out your thoughts on it. I am willing to see your points of view, and yes I admit to likely some bias in my characterization of left and right on each issue, but at least your reaction is constructive as opposed to treating me like an idiot, which is not appreciated.

Unfortunately since that time you have done nothing but act like an idiot. You never responded to a single one of my thoughts. Later you said

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I fully intend to follow up on this thread. See ya later.

NOW you want me to

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Make up your own new ones or put the details next to each of the 21 on how you want to rate them.

You have not followed up. You have posted rants and silly statements about liberals. You have not been man enough to live up to your own statements. Fine. Be that way. But don't expect us to treat you with anything but ridicule.

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I repeat, can you answer a simple question, are you a socialist, communist, or a free market liberal? Instead of throwing out your arrogant accusations about me not backing up statements, how about a simple answer?

If you can't even admit to your own beliefs, you are wasting everybody's time.

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Your question is stupid.

I could ask you if you are a fascist or a Nazi. (If you don't pick one or the other than you are obviously lying about your own beliefs.)

Your limited viewpoint shows how uninformed you are.

But until you back up your own statements on this thread I posted in the previous I see no reason to answer anything else from you.

okie wrote:

I fully intend to follow up on this thread. See ya later.

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I am truely interested in everyone's opinions on these issues even the bastard faggot commie pinkos that don't agree with me. Oh, hi okie having a nice day?

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You must be a lawyer. Its much easier to take potshots at me than own up to your own beliefs and philosophy.

My philosophy is clear. I love this country. I love individual rights, freedoms, and responsibilities. I am for as limited government in terms of social programs and social engineering, I am for strong defense, I believe strongly in free enterprise and private property rights. I'm tired of leftists complaining about virtually everything in this country. Some things in this life will never be perfectly fair. On balance, we have a good life and are able to do whatever we put our mind to do if we are willing to work. What more can a country afford anybody? There is no such thing as utopia and I am sick of leftists trying to create one. We will all die someday. I recommend you make peace with your God, whomever or whatever it is, because even government health care will not allow you to live forever. But if you don't want to or don't have one, thats your business.

Frankly Parados, I am tired of arguing with you. After all this time, you have yet to volunteer what you really believe.

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Dang okie..

You got your utopia all laid out there.

And anyone that doesn't agree with you better not show up.

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dyslexia wrote:

I am truely interested in everyone's opinions on these issues even the bastard faggot commie pinkos that don't agree with me. Oh, hi okie having a nice day?

For somebody that lives in Wolf Hole, you must be fairly content with things. Why do you pick on me?

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parados wrote:

Dang okie..

You got your utopia all laid out there.

And anyone that doesn't agree with you better not show up.

Go ahead disagree. Thats what this forum is about I thought. But when I showed up here, I wasn't part of your choir, so you don't like disagreement very well either.

I grew up in a family that loved debate. We did not get mad at each other. I want to make one thing clear. I don't hate anybody, not even you guys. I don't hate Bush. I don't hate Clinton. I don't hate communists or socialists or liberals. Disagreement is the American way. I happen to have strong beliefs. Don't you?

I kind of enjoyed raining on your liberal parade here. Just to let you know everybody don't think like you here.

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okie..

That wet feeling running down your leg isn't rain. I don't feel anything but a stiff wind at my back.

For somebody that knows so much about debate you don't seem to understand the simple concept of providing evidence to support your position. Accusing the other side of being communists or socialists is NOT debate. Failing to provide evidence when asked is not debate. Failing to provide a rebuttal whenever your statements are questioned and rebutted with sources is not debate. Claiming others have said things they haven't is not debate. Whining about being picked on because people don't agree with you is not debate.

There are lots of conservatives here that know how to debate. Too bad you can't be one of them.

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parados wrote:

okie..

That wet feeling running down your leg isn't rain. I don't feel anything but a stiff wind at my back.

For somebody that knows so much about debate you don't seem to understand the simple concept of providing evidence to support your position. Accusing the other side of being communists or socialists is NOT debate. Failing to provide evidence when asked is not debate. Failing to provide a rebuttal whenever your statements are questioned and rebutted with sources is not debate. Claiming others have said things they haven't is not debate. Whining about being picked on because people don't agree with you is not debate.

There are lots of conservatives here that know how to debate. Too bad you can't be one of them.

Perhaps I am more brash than the other ones. All I can do is be honest about the way I see it, no better or worse than what you do. As far as accusing you of being a communist or socialist, if you like those ideas, why be insulted by my questions to you. And if you are going to come on here and debate, Parados, at least be honest about your foundation philosophy, because to determine why you look at the issues you do, it helps alot to know where your bias is to start with. Everybody has one. If you are a free market liberal instead of a socialist or further along the scale, I'd like to somewhere hear you trumpet the beauty of how the free market works to benefit us all. I don't hear you do that, or at least it was so long ago, I've forgotten it.

And you constantly put words in my mouth I did not say, same as you accuse me of. I have never said that I "whined" about not being agreed with. I only pointed out that I was in the minority here and that many of you did not take it kindly that I disagreed with your liberal mantra that you throw back and forth, thus assuring each other of your great monopoly of wisdom and the stupidity of Right Wing Nuts.

P. S. Nice joke about the wet feeling.

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