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Defining issues of today's politics / Left vs Right

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 08:40 am
okie wrote:
Parados, I think your site says 600,000 ex-felons in Florida unable to vote in 2000 election!!! Is that a misprint? How many people live in Florida all together? I checked and its 16 million, which makes it almost 4% of the population or almost 1 out of every 25 people you meet down there on the street is an ex-felon!!!! Ex-felons must be everywhere down there. I don't think I plan to move there. Don't you kind of wonder about your party when one of the groups most likely to vote Democrat are ex-felons?????? I know "diversity" is one of the battle cries of liberals, but I don't know about that kind of diversity being an asset??? Of course Hillary's angle on this is, wow, we could have won if they could have voted. But actually, I don't think she wanted Kerry to win. That might have meant less chance for her in 08.
What does this have to do with left/right and defining the scale? You do NOTHING but slander the other side every chance you get. Are you trying to prove that only stupid people support George Bush?

By the way, it looks like about 4% of Oklahoma has committed a felony. (Oklahoma's murder rate is higher than Florida's.) You really should check your facts before you open your mouth. The difference between Oklahoma and Florida is Oklahoma gives all ex-felons the right to vote. Florida does not.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 09:57 am
Can't you understand a little humor? Yes, I admit we have our share of felons. I didn't say it had anything to do with the Left Right scale.

Also, Hillary is taking the step to mandate voting by ex-felons by the federal government, which appears to contradict the constitution, 14th amendment Section 2. Its one thing if the states determine the policy, quite another if the Federal Government does it.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 10:44 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, might be that your translation is correct. But did you talk about the politics of the Socialist Party of the United States (SPUSA), the Communist Party of the U.S. (CPUSA), or the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) before? I must have missed that.


No, I didn't talk about it. I think there are lots more organizations now that are advocating socialist and communist causes here, but they simply don't use the words describing it. The words, "socialism" and "communism" are not popular words here, so their proponents have learned to use other organizations in which to further their causes in an incremental fashion. This comment could rile lots of people, but it is my opinion that the current Democratic Party has leaders that subscribed to socialist, communist, and marxist philosophies in their college years, and I think there is not much evidence they have shed those former ideas altogether. They of course will not admit anything or come out of the closet with their entire agenda now, but many of their ideas bear resemblance to their former self.

The citizenry is mostly fairly naive when it comes to recognizing the root philosophies of politicians, and many will simply vote for something if they think it benefits them personally. If you want an example of this, simply listen to Hannity's man on the street segment he runs on Friday's radio show, where he has a person go down on the street and ask randomly picked people who the vice president is, etc. If they are Democrat voters, most don't even know who Dick Cheney is or who Secretary Rice is, but they all hate Bush. If they are asked why, the answers run the gamut but are rarely founded in much knowledge of any kind. Once in a while, someone will know who they are, and almost always they turn out to be a Republican voter.

I was around students in college back in the 60's that belonged to SDS. Basicly, I think for most of them it was more or less an expression of rebellion more than it was of buying into the beliefs of the organization. It was kind of trendy for certain personality types and it afforded them the use of drugs and partying with the organization soothing their conscience of doing it. It gave them a vague sense purpose or excuse for their degenerate methods of fun. For others of that movement, they truly bought into the philosophy, and as I've said before, some are now politicians seeking to further the cause.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 10:50 am
okie wrote:
The words, "socialism" and "communism" are not popular words here, so their proponents have learned to use other organizations in which to further their causes in an incremental fashion. This comment could rile lots of people, but it is my opinion that the current Democratic Party has leaders that subscribed to socialist, communist, and marxist philosophies in their college years, and I think there is not much evidence they have shed those former ideas altogether.


I've learnt that those words are no-no's in the USA.

However, I can't see a lot of socialistic ideas (if any) within the Democratic party. And I've never noticed any Marxim outside the old styl communist parties within the last 30, 40 years. Anywhere.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 10:55 am
Walter, Okie is expressing his personal and idiosyncratic paranoid views on politics in the United States--rather than an accurate statement of the truth.

But, then, i'm sure you already guessed that.


Say Okie, what's your proof that " . . . the current Democratic Party has leaders that subscribed to socialist, communist, and marxist philosophies in their college years . . . ", hmm?

If there's anything in your horseshit there for which there is not much evidence, it is that statement.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:04 am
What is federalizing the entire health care industry if it isn't a socialistic idea?

There is plenty of that type of indoctrination going on here in the colleges and universities, and has been for a long time. I know one personally, but there are hundreds, probably thousands. There are courses titled things like, the "American Holocaust," just another run of the mill class like countless others like it, wherein the professor educates the poor kids about how the evil Europeans massacred all the Indians they could and instituted their evil capitalism on the country.

I agree, the terms are not in the mainstream. When the products of those institutes of higher learning hit the streets, many go into business and usually forget the nonsense because they finally are introduced to reality. However, others never do anything but work in government and I think still retain some of their ideas. Examples, the Clintons. What have they ever done but live off tax money and try to give as much of our money away in our behalf in order to climb the ladder of power for themselves? To them, the answer to any problem is, you guessed it, more government. They despise free enterprise. I use the Clintons as examples, but there are plenty like them.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:05 am
Ya can't beat the conservatives here for free entertainment--highlarious.

Are you a Freeper?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:10 am
Setanta wrote:
Say Okie, what's your proof that " . . . the current Democratic Party has leaders that subscribed to socialist, communist, and marxist philosophies in their college years . . . ", hmm?

If there's anything in your horseshit there for which there is not much evidence, it is that statement.


Before I answer your question, are you capable of communicating without referring to horses all the time?

How many Democrats like the free market? Most of them have worked in government their entire lives. To them, companies are evil. What more do you need to know? They think only government has the solution to anything. What have the Clintons ever done to have a real job outside government? Oh yeah, I forgot the Rose Law Firm. And they couldn't even find the records on that.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:12 am
Setanta wrote:
Ya can't beat the conservatives here for free entertainment--highlarious.

Are you a Freeper?


I don't know what a Freeper is and don't care. I'm glad I can entertain you. You certainly seem to be around here alot so you must need something to spice up your life.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:13 am
What more do i need to know?

I need to know what kind of support you think you can give to that laundry list of horseshit statements.

Can you demonstrate that most Democrats have worked in government their entire lives? Can you demonstrate that to Democrats, companies are evil? Can you demonstrate that they think only government has the solution to anything (which, by the way, looks embarrassing to the "no homosexual marriage/no child left behind" Republicans)?

You throw out a bucket-full of your paranoid, hateful statements about those with whom you disagree, provide not a shred of evidence for your goofy statements, and then actual incredulous that anyone would see it any differently than you.

Wathcha smokin' Okie? Come on, pass that thing . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:14 am
Playground attempts to insult, i expect nothing less . . .
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:16 am
Setanta wrote:
What more do i need to know?

I need to know what kind of support you think you can give to that laundry list of horseshit statements.

Can you demonstrate that most Democrats have worked in government their entire lives? Can you demonstrate that to Democrats, companies are evil? Can you demonstrate that they think only government has the solution to anything (which, by the way, looks embarrassing to the "no homosexual marriage/no child left behind" Republicans)?

You throw out a bucket-full of your paranoid, hateful statements about those with whom you disagree, provide not a shred of evidence for your goofy statements, and then actual incredulous that anyone would see it any differently than you.

Wathcha smokin' Okie? Come on, pass that thing . . .


Are you deaf, Setanta. Simply listen to the Democrats. Government can fix anything. P. S. I don't smoke.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:21 am
It seems pretty obvious that you are unable or unwilling to understand. You simply saying a thing is true does not make it true.

Absent any evidence other than your bald-faced statement, there is no reason to believe your silly statements in regard to Democrats.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:32 am
okie wrote:
There are courses titled things like, the "American Holocaust," just another run of the mill class like countless others like it, wherein the professor educates the poor kids about how the evil Europeans massacred all the Indians they could <snip>


Fascinating.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:39 am
okie wrote:
Can't you understand a little humor? Yes, I admit we have our share of felons. I didn't say it had anything to do with the Left Right scale.

Also, Hillary is taking the step to mandate voting by ex-felons by the federal government, which appears to contradict the constitution, 14th amendment Section 2. Its one thing if the states determine the policy, quite another if the Federal Government does it.

What the heck? How does the 14th prevent the Federal govt or states from restoring civil rights to felons? There is nothing saying states get to remove rights and never return them. There is only the abiltiy to abridge voting rights for crimes. Your argument is silly okie since 47 or 48 of the states return voting rights already after the sentence is served. Your own state does the exact thing that Hillary is suppporting. It seems you are the one out of the mainstream on this issue okie.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:43 am
ehBeth wrote:
okie wrote:
There are courses titled things like, the "American Holocaust," just another run of the mill class like countless others like it, wherein the professor educates the poor kids about how the evil Europeans massacred all the Indians they could <snip>


Fascinating.

bizarre
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:58 am
I can't decide if it's fascinating in a bizarre way, or bizarre in a fascinating way.

I guess some people just don't hold with learning.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:14 pm
Yep, I guess the indians were all sitting around in perfect harmony with mother earth, in perfect peace with one another, until one day, the first evil human being to ever set foot on the American continent began the American holocaust, but instead of throwing them in ovens like the Germans did, simply killed every last one they could with the evil European invention, firearms, and what that didn't accomplish, they used diseases. And then they instituted the evil capitalism, being the imperialists they were. Yep, I am now an educated intellectual, and can now be considered enlightened on this forum. I don't know why I didn't see the light before now?
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:17 pm
ehBeth wrote:
I can't decide if it's fascinating in a bizarre way, or bizarre in a fascinating way.
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I think the last post proves it is BOTH. As well as many other things.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 01:32 pm
them europeans didn't holocaust those injuns, they christianized them (to death)
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