roger wrote:I certainly take the point that loyalty and responsibility are going to be a two way street, or no street at all, mesquite. Maybe we could put this down as faceless corporations operating by policy, rather than individual decisions - supposedly in the best interests of the many stockholders?
Anyway, I'm sure it goes further back than either Bush or Reagan. How about WWII? I'm not going to get caught up in an argument about whether it's bad or good that women got out of the house to earn a living in traditionally men's fields (yeah, Rosie the Riveter, soz), but it just may have contributed to the decline we're discussing.
Ok believe me, I'm not trying start an argument here. I merely want to express my opinion. As a woman I realize this perspective could be a little surprising for some. However, I don't believe it was necessarily the best thing for the structure of the family for women to leave the home and go into the work place. While I understand that with increased cost of living, grander lifestyles, and such people feel a need to work. It is difficult to live on one income. Unfortunately though that leaves strangers raising the children, and again video games and twinkies.
I don't believe women are suppose to be home barefoot and pregnant all the time. However, I see the children are the ones suffering the most from the womens lib movement. Great we got freedom, now we can work, and even do a man's job if we want. Big whoop. Though I know I am capable of doing most anything a man can do, speaking in terms of work, I really don't feel a need to prove it. I'm a woman. I like being a woman. I would rather stay home with the kids if I had any and make sure I raised them right. To make sure they knew they were loved and provided for as well as protected. Children are the legacy we leave behind when we go...
Quote:There is no new work ethic to present. We have to stay in our state of complexity until some simple, obvious ethic or value begins to emerge. And it will. Something as important for human beings as work, simply must be "felt" as valuable.
Questioner, this was an excellent post thank you! I agree completely. Work ethics have really gone down hill in the US. I wonder sometimes how much it is due to the fact that though that we also feel we "deserve" certain things handed to us sometimes. I see it a lot in my line of work. People who take the job thinking they're going to be some sort of super hero to these troubled teenagers, then when they realize they aren't they fall back into complacency and complain they aren't getting paid enough to do this job. It is a trying job. There's days I come home and cry. But I'm not there for the money. Someones life is more valuable to me than money will ever be.
Setanta,
Satire shmatire... he can keep it to himself!!!!
Kidding.... only kidding.... (hehehe)
Flushed... LOL Good way to sum it up and suck the air right out of my thread!!! whoooooooooooooo kidding, only kidding.
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