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Leviticus is ridiculous.

Amigo,

And just what was the purpose of giving that link? We all know there are people out there who feel that way. Trouble is, when people don't feel that way it seems they are labeled that way just because they don't happen to agree with yours and others points of view?

You are right flushd. It is crazy and sickening. It's even more sickening when people try to make others look as if they are that way just because their views differ.

Amigo,

Well, if this was not a public issue then I would imagine that none of us would be discussing it. And, as I said, I don't know of any state that is actually going to have a public vote on this.

Dear Arizona Pastors:

I write to inform you that your church can support the Protect Marriage Arizona Amendment without losing its 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. This includes circulating petitions at your church and speaking out in favor of the amendment.

We are living in exciting and challenging times. Marriage in the United States is on the brink of destruction at the hands of activist judges who would redefine it into meaninglessness. In the face of out-of-control judicial acts, like those we saw last year in Massachusetts, people across the country are standing up for marriage.

As I write to you, 18 states have passed constitutional amendments protecting marriage from judicial redefinition. Here in Arizona, a grassroots movement is rising up to allow the people of Arizona to vote on a measure to protect marriage in November of 2006.
The name of that measure is the Protect Marriage Arizona Amendment.

http://www.azpolicy.org/assets/pdf/PMAChurchLetter.pdf

AN INITIATIVE MEASURE

PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION OF
ARIZONA; AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF ARIZONA;
BY ADDING ARTICLE XXX; RELATING TO THE PROTECTION
OF MARRIAGE

1. Be it enacted by the People of Arizona:
2. 1. Article: XXX. Constitution of Arizona is proposed to be added
3. as follows if approved by the voters and on proclamation of the Governor:
4. ARTICLE XXX. MARRIAGE
5. TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT MARRIAGE IN THIS
6. STATE, ONLY A UNION BETWEEN ONE MAN AND ONE
7. WOMAN SHALL BE VALID OR RECOGNIZED AS A
8. MARRIAGE BY THIS STATE OR ITS POLITICAL
9. SUBDIVISIONS AND NO LEGAL STATUS FOR UNMARRIED
10. PERSONS SHALL BE CREATED OR RECOGNIZED BY THIS
11. STATE OR ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS THAT IS SIMILAR
12. TO THAT OF MARRIAGE.
13. 2. The Secretary of State shall submit this proposition to
14. the voters at the next general election as provided by article XXI,
15. Constitution of Arizona.

I could not in good conscious vote to allow gay marriage, nor could I vote against it...as the constitution gives everyone the freedom of choice. I have conflicting views on the issue, and I would have to take the "abstain" route myself. A chicken **** attitude...perhaps...but if forced to make a decision, I would vote no. For those of you on the pro side, I'm sure an abstain vote would help you much more so than a flat out no.

But as far as the health insurance issue goes, they should be allowed to share the benefits with whomever they choose, same sex partner or not.

MA I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to speak for Amigo, but I can tell you the reason that I posted a link to that sites FAQ last month in this post addressed to you.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1802430#1802430

You see that site uses the same Biblical based reasoning that you use to justify their disgusting behavior. Please do read through that FAQ and their Biblical quotes. Feel the love.

In the state of Arizona there are counties and municipalities that currently grant medical benefits to dependent "unmarried domestic partners". The Protect Marriage Arizona initiative would prohibit recognizing these domestic partners whether they be same sex or not.

I could not in good conscious vote to allow gay marriage, nor could I vote against it...as the constitution gives everyone the freedom of choice. I have conflicting views on the issue, and I would have to take the "abstain" route myself. A chicken **** attitude...perhaps...but if forced to make a decision, I would vote no. For those of you on the pro side, I'm sure an abstain vote would help you much more so than a flat out no.

But as far as the health insurance issue goes, they should be allowed to share the benefits with whomever they choose, same sex partner or not.

Oedipus....Aeschylus...all your best Greeks....

Allow me to make you aware of Arizona once again.

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.....Marriage in the United States is on the brink of destruction at the hands of activist judges who would redefine it into meaninglessness.

it is ? and how might that be ? if gays get married, will the marriage police show up at my door and force me to leave my wife at gun point ? doubtful at best that's going to happen.

now about the activist judges thing.

the judges who favored roe are "activist judges", yet the judges who were favored by religious conservatives due to an expected leaning away from roe are not "activist judges", but "strict constructionists"?

baloney. no bread, no mayo. just plain baloney.

if churches want to be involved in the political process in the way that they are now choosing, such as the christian coalition, who makes up, prints and distributes "voter's guides" touting the politicians they believe will promote religious values, they then should be paying taxes.

the purpose of religion and it's clerics is to ease the daily suffering of it's adherents, not to go around wrecking the lives of non-believers.

Mesquite,

As far as the couple wanting to adopt the child, I'm sorry to say that if that is the law then that is the law. So we have to abide by the law. If we don't like the law, we do what we can to get the law changed. That's how things work. And, they made a choice. They picked family first and did what was best for them. We all have to make choices we don't necessarily like to have to make but it's part of life.

Mesquite Wrote:

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MA I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to speak for Amigo, but I can tell you the reason that I posted a link to that sites FAQ last month in this post addressed to you.
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1802430#1802430

You see that site uses the same Biblical based reasoning that you use to justify their disgusting behavior. Please do read through that FAQ and their Biblical quotes. Feel the love.

Well, gotta tell you, Mesquite, I'm not responsible for how THEY or anyone else behaves or believes or anything else. I can only tell you how i feel and believe. I don't happen to feel or believe the way those on that site do. I don't care what they use to justify it, I believe they are wrong.

So, I really don't understand why it keeps coming up and if you could tell me why, I'd sure appreciate it.

Mesquite Wrote:

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In the state of Arizona there are counties and municipalities that currently grant medical benefits to dependent "unmarried domestic partners". The Protect Marriage Arizona initiative would prohibit recognizing these domestic partners whether they be same sex or not.

I do not live in Arizona. I have nothing to do with the laws in Arizona. So, guess you have to take that up with the citizens of Arizona.

Amigo,

Well, if this was not a public issue then I would imagine that none of us would be discussing it. And, as I said, I don't know of any state that is actually going to have a public vote on this.