Exactly Why Don't You Believe In the God of the Bible?

MOAN wrote:

Okay, let's try this one. (stupid emoticon removed as inappropriate)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_slavery

That hardly helps your case. In fact, it presents many of the same arguments which were advanced by christians in the American South before the Civil War--christians such as Leonidas Polk, the Episcopal Bishop of Louisiana.

I can't believe you posted a link to a site that more than makes the point about slavery and religion. However, i suspect that you read the line: "Slavery is thus seen as an undesirable and unnatural state of affairs."--and ignored anything which is deprecatory. That is, of course, exactly what you do when you evaluate scripture--read and believe what suits you and ignore the rest.

Most telling, however, is that you can post that and ignore the disclaimer which Wikipedia posted at the beginning of the article:

Wikipedia wrote:

To meet Wikipedia's quality standards, this article or section may require cleanup.
See rationale on the talk page, or replace this tag with a more specific message. Editing help is available.
(Tagged July 2005)

Tagged means that someone knowledgable saw the extent to which it is apologetics for christianity, and deprecatory of Islam, and complained. It still has the warning posted because the article hasn't been cleaned up yet.

You just don't get it when it come to evidence--whether standards of historical proof, or standards of naturalistic proof.

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Setanta,

Actually, I did read it. I read all of it. There are plenty of sites that can back up what I say and there are plenty of sites that can back up what you say. I am offering differing opinions and did not offer it as concrete proof of anything.

As far as I am concerned, I was not there. I cannot say 100% for sure how it was. That's just the way it is. So, if you don't accept it, Setanta, then you don't accept it. That's fine with me. I do not have a problem with that at all.

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No, and you don't have problem with "evidence" from web sites which either knowingly lie about ancient history or do so through ignorance.

That's hardly a basis upon which to recommend your judgment.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon,

Yes, I am certain, because of my faith, beyond the need for proof that I have God in my life. I won't apologize for that.

And you would say what to someone whose faith told him that he was Napoleon, somehow transported to our century?

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Setanta,

There are all kinds of sites out there to bolster your assertions and all kinds of sites that bolster my assertions. It's up to us to decide what we believe. So be it.

Brandon,

Well, I'm 100% positive that Napoleon is dead, aren't you? I understand how you might equate faith in God with this Napoleon scenario, but I don't.

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Momma Angel:

Fundamentally speaking, it's none of your business, whether or not I believe in God.

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Cliff Hanger,

Yes, that is true. I hope I did not imply that I thought it was my business. I only expected posters to answer that wanted to answer.

Thanx for your answer.

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Momma Angel wrote:

There are all kinds of sites out there to bolster your assertions and all kinds of sites that bolster my assertions. It's up to us to decide what we believe. So be it.

This ignores the fundamental distinction between sites which peddle bullshit and those which simply report the best evidence available. Given the low standards of evidence which you apply to your imaginary friend superstition, i'm not surprised that you attempt to contend the two positions are equivalent.

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Setanta wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
There are all kinds of sites out there to bolster your assertions and all kinds of sites that bolster my assertions. It's up to us to decide what we believe. So be it.

This ignores the fundamental distinction between sites which peddle bullshit and those which simply report the best evidence available. Given the low standards of evidence which you apply to your imaginary friend superstition, i'm not surprised that you attempt to contend the two positions are equivalent.

Setanta,

If you feel they are not equivalent, that is fine. I was offering opinions and views, NOT concrete evidence. I did not state that they were concrete evidence. I have not stated that they were evidence of any kind.

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Why did you post them then, though...?

Momma Angel wrote:

There are all kinds of sites out there to bolster your assertions and all kinds of sites that bolster my assertions. It's up to us to decide what we believe. So be it.

To drag out an earlier metaphor, if I'm holding that cats are the spawn of the devil, you disagree, and I post a link to www.catsarethespawnofthedevil.com* that has a list including:

- I say so.
- It's totally obvious.
- Would you LOOK at their evil little eyes?!

would you say I've added anything valuable to the discussion?

*just in case that's an actual site, I just made up the url for illustrative purposes.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Cliff Hanger,

Yes, that is true. I hope I did not imply that I thought it was my business. I only expected posters to answer that wanted to answer.

Thanx for your answer.

Quote:

You are making it your business by asking the question. I have seen this thread for some time, it will not die simply because religious postings rankle people. I interpret your wanting to know as a need for some kind of attention. When you ask specifically about the God of the Bible that leads me to wonder what your motives are.

What are your motives?

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sozobe,

I posted them because they explained slavery in the New Testament as I have been taught it was. I felt they explained it a lot better that I could. But, like I said, I wasn't there. I can't know 100% that it is true. I don't think anyone can.

Cliffhanger,

Actually, this thread has been very civil IMO. I have learned a great deal from many that have answered my questions. They have been open and honest with me, as I have been with them. No one is forced to post in this thread, Cliffhanger. It's strictly left up to each individual.

If you go back to page 44 of this thread, you can read exactly what my motives are.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Well, I'm 100% positive that Napoleon is dead, aren't you? I understand how you might equate faith in God with this Napoleon scenario, but I don't

So someone who has faith can be dead wrong???

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Brandon,

Did I ever make the statement that just because someone has faith that automatically makes them right? No, I did not nor would I make that statement.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon,

Did I ever make the statement that just because someone has faith that automatically makes them right? No, I did not nor would I make that statement.

Well, have fun with your imaginary friend, while many of the rest of us face the realities of the world, both pleasant and unpleasant.

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Momma Angel wrote:

sozobe,

No one is forced to post in this thread, Cliffhanger. It's strictly left up to each individual.

Your motives are to preach, plain and simple. I'm baffled as to why Christians feel so comfortable with this, being in people's face with their religion. Why? Why can't you simply have your religious beliefs and not impose them on others?

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Brandon,

I am sorry you feel like that. I do face realities both pleasant and unpleasant. I am no different than you except that I have faith and belief in God and you appear not to (from what you have said).

Cliff Hanger,

You obviously did not read what I said on Page 44 then? How am I imposing my beliefs on you when you are the one that came into this thread after how many pages? You did not have to come into it. You did not have to answer it. This is the Spirituality & Religion Forum. I would think you would know that religious beliefs might be discussed. I thought I made my intentions very clear from my original post. I am sorry you feel there is something else going on here. There isn't.

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Oh, indeed, I did go to page 44-- and what I read was preaching. And you have not answered my questions: Why do Christians feel so comfortable with being in people's face with their religion? Why can't you simply have your religious beliefs and not impose them on others?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon,

I am sorry you feel like that. I do face realities both pleasant and unpleasant.

You certainly do not. You find it necessary to have an imaginary magical friend to protect you. You also deny the reality of your own future death. That is hardly facing the realities of the world. If you wish to argue that your friend is not imaginary or that the afterlife is real, I would, of course, be willing to listen to evidence.

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Cliff Hanger,

I am sorry if you took my aswers to sozobe as preaching. They were my honest answers to her questions about why I was doing what I was doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whose face am I in about my religion? Yours? If I am in your face, why did YOU come to this forum? You have as much right to post in this forum as I do Cliff Hanger. You have as much right to talk against religion as I do to talk for it. The ultimate responsibility of whose face this particular conversation is in, is yours. You joined the conversation after many, many pages. :wink:

I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone. I am having conversations with people who are willing to talk to me and answer questions so I can better understand them and where they are coming from. I have told no one that they need to convert, they are going to hell, heaven, or anything like that. I am engaging in a discussion in a Spirituality & Religion thread on a Public Forum. I, as well as you, are part of that public.

No harm, no foul.

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