Exactly Why Don't You Believe In the God of the Bible?

Brandon9000 Wrote:

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You certainly do not. You find it necessary to have an imaginary magical friend to protect you. You also deny the reality of your own future death. That is hardly facing the realities of the world. If you wish to argue that your friend is not imaginary or that the afterlife is real, I would, of course, be willing to listen to evidence.

With all due respect, Brandon, if you would stop telling me what I do or what I feel or what I believe I might be a bit more open to what you are saying. I understand your statement is your opinion Brandon. It doesn't make you any more right or wrong then it makes me, does it?

Oh and BTW, I do not deny the reality of my own death. Never have. We all die. :wink:

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Why do Christians Push Religion on Others?
Howdy Cliff,
I've just glance at your posting in the religious forum. To answer your question, most genuine followers of Christ have receive a command and commission to, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel." I know that can be annoying to many, especially those which don't take a liking to such people. Those feelings of mild hostility toward unbelievers has been going on since the commission was given and will continue until Christ returns. Christ, the Savior came into the world not to bring peace, but a sword. He came to set a daughter against her mother, a son against his father...etc. The offensive of the cross is what determined the demise of many believers in the early church and continues for believers to this day.

Cliff, I intend no offense, sincerely, ok?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Cliff Hanger,

I am sorry if you took my aswers to sozobe as preaching. They were my honest answers to her questions about why I was doing what I was doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

You joined the conversation after many, many pages. :wink:

I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone. I am having conversations with people who are willing to talk to me and answer questions so I can better understand them and where they are coming from. I have told no one that they need to convert, they are going to hell, heaven, or anything like that. I am engaging in a discussion in a Spirituality & Religion thread on a Public Forum. I, as well as you, are part of that public.

No harm, no foul.

I'm not clear as to the relevance for you of my entering the conversation after "so many pages." The implication is that I am out of the loop, or that I am jumping in without considering all the other pages. I have considered the other pages. Still, I come round to the basic question, why do you care so much about other peoples religion?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon9000 Wrote:

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You certainly do not. You find it necessary to have an imaginary magical friend to protect you. You also deny the reality of your own future death. That is hardly facing the realities of the world. If you wish to argue that your friend is not imaginary or that the afterlife is real, I would, of course, be willing to listen to evidence.

With all due respect, Brandon, if you would stop telling me what I do or what I feel or what I believe I might be a bit more open to what you are saying. I understand your statement is your opinion Brandon. It doesn't make you any more right or wrong then it makes me, does it?

Oh and BTW, I do not deny the reality of my own death. Never have. We all die. :wink:

Pardon me. I have asserted only that you believe in God, because you have repeatedly said so, and in an afterlife, because most Christians do. Which are the beliefs that I have incorrectly ascribed to you? I take it, then, that you do not believe in an afterlife?

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Cliff Hanger,

I explained my motives, intent, etc. back on Page 44. If you do not accept it, then you just don't accept it. But my answer stands as I stated it.

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Momma Angel wrote:

I understand your statement is your opinion Brandon. It doesn't make you any more right or wrong then it makes me, does it?

Brandon is not simply expressing an opinion when he points out that you have no evidentiary basis for your imaginary friend. This is not simply a matter of opinion. You believe in something for which not only is there no naturalistic evidence, but which is alleged to be supernatural, and for which there can, by definition, be no naturalistic evidence. Brandon rejects your claim for that lack of evidence. You express a belief. But Brandon articulates a truth when he says you have provided no evidence for your belief and he therefore does not accept your contention. These are not equivalent and opposite positions. This you refuse to see, because to do so would destroy the basis for your imaginary friend superstition.

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Brandon,

I said I do face reality. You said I do not. I tell you I believe in God. You say I find it necessary to have an imaginary friend. You tell me I deny the reality of my future death. I said I do not deny it. I tell you how I feel, think, and believe and you turn around and tell me I think, feel, and believe something else.

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Setanta,

In those famous words of yours, horsie poop! How many times do I have to say I DO NOT HAVE PROOF? I have never denied that.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon,

I said I do face reality. You said I do not. I tell you I believe in God. You say I find it necessary to have an imaginary friend. You tell me I deny the reality of my future death. I said I do not deny it. I tell you how I feel, think, and believe and you turn around and tell me I think, feel, and believe something else.

Then you do not believe in an afterlife, right?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Setanta,

In those famous words of yours, horsie poop! How many times do I have to say I DO NOT HAVE PROOF? I have never denied that.

It's rather more extreme than that. You not only do not have proof that God exists, but you don't even have evidence to suggest that he exists.

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Actually, Brandon I do. But, you have to die before you get to it. :wink:

What is this, Brandon? You just want me to say you are right and I am wrong? Is that what you are after?

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Momma Angel wrote:

In those famous words of yours, horsie poop! How many times do I have to say I DO NOT HAVE PROOF? I have never denied that!

Yes, there is horsie poop here . . . and we see it when you claim that you believe one thing and Brandon believes another, and that you both are entitled to hold different beliefs. That is not the case. This is not a case of competing beliefs. You make an assertion based upon beleif. Brandon rejects that assertion, which is not the same as articulating an opposite belief.

You can goddamned well stop shouting at me, just because you are confused about or unwilling to acknowledge the point. No one is saying you have to prove anything. Absent proof, people such as Brandon--and such as i--are not going to consider your imaginary friend superstition to be anything more than just that--superstition.

That is not the same as hold two differing beliefs and agreeing to disagree about those beliefs.

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Setanta,

I apologize. I meant the caps for emphasis. I will tell you when I am yelling.

I am not confused whatsoever, thank you very much. You do not have to consider anything about anything I say. That's completely up to you.

Brandon believes one way because of something and I believe another way because of something. So what? What's the big deal? It just makes us different. Makes neither one of us right or wrong or better than or less than.

You keep trying to make more out of it then it is. I can agree to just disagree and let it go. What is wrong with doing that?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Setanta,

Actually, I did read it. I read all of it. There are plenty of sites that can back up what I say and there are plenty of sites that can back up what you say. I am offering differing opinions and did not offer it as concrete proof of anything.

As far as I am concerned, I was not there. I cannot say 100% for sure how it was. That's just the way it is. So, if you don't accept it, Setanta, then you don't accept it. That's fine with me. I do not have a problem with that at all.

Deja vu! How many times have you been shown that the sites you get your information from are erroneous, deceptive or both and yet you still come back with the same tired old about differing opinions with no regard as to quality of information. We have had nearly identical exchanges over the subjects of frequency of natural disasters and Separation of church and state to name just two.

You say you are here to learn, but you show precious little evidence of doing so. It is one thing to mistakenly post inaccurate information. It is quite another to continually do so while dismissing the act with the trite excuse that "anyone can find information to support their opinion on the internet", as if there was some sort of parity involved.

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Mesquite,

Perhaps you might want to read my answer to sozobe exactly why I posted those particular links?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Brandon believes one way because of something and I believe another way because of something.

This is a false statement. You have a belief. Brandon is unwilling to consider the premises of your belief without evidence. You provide no evidence. Therefore, Brandon rejects what you say. This is not a case of two people holding differing beliefs. Brandon's rejection, and mine as well, of what you contend to be the truth is not a statement of belief, it is a statement of fact. You have provided no evidence for the premise of your belief.

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So what? What's the big deal? It just makes us different. Makes neither one of us right or wrong or better than or less than.

This is a false statement. Brandon is definitely right. You have provided no evidence for your contention. That is a true statement. It means that he is right. It may not mean that you are wrong, if you can ever provide evidence. But until such time as you do, he is right, and you have failed to demonstrate that you are right. No one here is asserting that such a condition lessens you or demeans you.

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You keep trying to make more out of it then it is.

This is a false statement. I am putting the case exactly as it is.

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I can agree to just disagree and let it go. What is wrong with doing that?

What is wrong with doing that is the inherent dishonesty. You assert your belief, but provide no evidence. Brandon asserts that you have provided no evidence, and that is a true statement. He further states that a rational reaction to the lack of evidence is to refuse to believe the contention. That is a true statement. Certainly one can see that you would want to just "let it go." However, then one would justifiably want to know why you keep bringing it up, as is the entire exercise in this thread.

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Neither Brandonn or Setanta -- or Mama Angel for that matter, can offer a provable explanation for our existence or that of the observable universe. Further, there is no basis on which to expect that science will ever provide one either. One can, without fault, charactereize the belief with which MA fills that void as superstition. However, at the same time, you should admit that you offer nothing at all in its place. You simply choose to live without an explanation and without an awareness or experience of what she calls spirituality. You claim that this subjective experience does not exist: she claims it does. On what basis can you assert that your claim is any better than her's?

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georgeob1 wrote:

Neither Brandonn or Setanta -- or Mama Angel for that matter, can offer a provable explanation for our existence or that of the observable universe. Further, there is no basis on which to expect that science will ever provide one either. One can, without fault, charactereize the belief with which MA fills that void as superstition. However, at the same time, you should admit that you offer nothing at all in its place. You simply choose to live without an explanation and without an awareness or experience of what she calls spirituality. You claim that this subjective experience does not exist: she claims it does. On what basis can you assert that your claim is any better than her's?

The fact that I cannot explain a phenomenon does not make it rational for me to accept a very specific one advanced without evidence that it is correct.

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georgeob1 wrote:

You claim that this subjective experience does not exist: she claims it does. On what basis can you assert that your claim is any better than her's?

Perhaps it can be asserted because said 'experience' is 1) only noticed by those that already claim a belief and 2) most 'experiences' are different than any others. Contrast that with the non-religious universal claim of 'no experience' and the numbers speak for themselves.

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You claim that this subjective experience does not exist: she claims it does. On what basis can you assert that your claim is any better than her's?

This is a false statement. I do not deny the subjective experience of spirituality. I do reject the imaginary friend superstition as an explanation, due to the lack of evidence. That tripe doesn't even deserve a "nice try."

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