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Exactly Why Don't You Believe In the God of the Bible?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 04:18 pm
Mesquite,

Think it insincere if you wish. I can only tell you how I feel. Betty and Sue would get married if it were legal, yes. But, right now it's not. This wo't be on the public ballot. It's a moot point except for discussion. I don't write my congressman, etc. I just talk about it on this forum, with Betty and Sue, my husband, and maybe a few other people. I am sorry you don't like the way I see this issue.

We are not under Mosaic Law and therefore the Sabbath is not one of the laws we are to live by. Christ has become the Sabbath for Christians. As far as divorce goes, there are times when divorce is the right thing to do even in God's eyes.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 04:26 pm
I just came across this thread, and in response to its question "Exactly why don't you believe in the God of the bible", I ask "Exactly why should I?"
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 05:09 pm
JLNobody wrote:
I just came across this thread, and in response to its question "Exactly why don't you believe in the God of the bible", I ask "Exactly why should I?"

Yeah, I'd love to hear her answer that.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 05:10 pm
Hi JLNobody. Good to see you here! Thank you for answering my question. Well, in answer to your question, I guess it all depends upon who you are talking to. Laughing

So, let me ask you another question if I may. Have you ever thought about believing in God? Perhaps when you were younger? Is part of Exactly why should I that you would want evidence first?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 07:55 pm
Evidence? I want a reason to believe as you do. When I was young and raised for some years in a catholic school, I recall that I neither believed nor disbelieved. The sisters and fathers never told us why we should believe, only suggestions, I think, that it's the proper way to think and a way to avoid Hell. That was scary but not at all convincing. Can you do better?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:06 pm
Of course the usual Christian answer is that I must have FAITH. But if it does not come to me spontaneously, WHY should I make an effort to generate it?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:08 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Evidence? I want a reason to believe as you do. When I was young and raised for some years in a catholic school, I recall that I neither believed nor disbelieved. The sisters and fathers never told us why we should believe, only suggestions, I think, that it's the proper way to think and a way to avoid Hell. That was scary but not at all convincing. Can you do better?

NLNobody,

Can I do better? I don't know. I know that all I can do is tell you why I believe in God and what I believe God does in my life. I cannot offer you any scientific evidence. I cannot prove that God exists. I can only give you my experience through my eyes.

I was always searching for something. It took me a long time to realize what that something was. I tried alcohol, drugs, relationships, you name it. Always looking for something on the outside to fix me on the inside. Nothing worked. I finally gave up and asked God to help me. Developing a relationship with God is a daily thing for me and some days are better than others. I try to do what I believe He wants me to do. I know that He wants me to do right because that is what is best for me.

Now, some may say that I may have had this inside me all the time and just grabbed onto God as the label for it. That's fine. Doesn't matter to me what they think. I know for myself that it is God. It is something outside of me and inside of me.

If it came down to the very end and I found out that I was wrong about all of this, it wouldn't matter to me. My life is better because of my faith in God. So, why would it matter?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:08 pm
JL. I think their are two types of people.
Those that are intellectually capable of 'faith' and those that aren't.
Thankfully, I fall into the latter category. You?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:11 pm
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Always looking for something on the outside to fix me on the inside. Nothing worked. I finally gave up and asked God to help me.

Very telling...
So religion is just the latest in a series of 'fixes' for your 'broken' ego.
Did you ever consider looking inwards?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:38 pm
MA, I'm glad to hear that your belief has made your life a better experience. For me the decision to give up "free thinking" would render my life experience a very unpleasant thing. So I guess religion is good for you and bad for me. That is why tolerance is best.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 08:50 pm
JLNobody,

Can I ask you a question, please? Why do you think it is giving up "free thinking?" I have free will. I make my choices. I make those choices based on what I believe is right and wrong. But I make the choice. No one does that for me. I have given up nothing except the futility of not believing in God (in my experience). Why do you feel it is giving up "free thinking?"
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 09:26 pm
Only one example: Can you really face the reality of all the scientific evidence for biological evolution? If you can't, because you are committed to an unproven and unprovable notion of creationism, that is an expression of your lack of "free thinking"--even though you "freely will it.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 09:28 pm
I suppose she could believe that God is responsible for biological evolution.

There's always an out.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 09:30 pm
Yup, that's the one the Vatican has taken, I believe.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 09:39 pm
Doktor S Wrote:

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Very telling...
So religion is just the latest in a series of 'fixes' for your 'broken' ego.
Did you ever consider looking inwards?


Doktor S,


To be completely honest with you, I was thinking about not addressing your post at all. When you first started posting on A2K I found you to be quite charming and respectful of everyone. That has changed. You may have your reasons for that but I am sorry to see it. I am resistant to replying to you very much anymore because you seem to think me a fool and have no problem voicing that. But, I said in my original post that I would do my best to answer everyone's questions. So, I will attempt to answer yours also.

My biggest problem WAS looking looking inward by filling my life with what I wanted when I wanted it. Selfish and self-destructive. I no longer feel that way. God has taken that selfishness from me. My life is now productive and satisfying. Whenever I get to the "me, me, me" attitude, I get myself into big trouble. I try my best to do what is right. I don't always succeed. I care about other people. I care about their feelings before I care about mine. I do my best to understand them. If these are things that fix a broken ego, then so be it. When I had that ego, I was broken. I was worthless as a person. Plain and simple. I didn't care who I hurt or what I did as long as I got what I wanted. I don't do that any more.

If that makes me a fool, irrational, or any other thing you may think, so be it. I will accept the label and be grateful for it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 09:45 pm
JLNobody Wrote:

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Only one example: Can you really face the reality of all the scientific evidence for biological evolution? If you can't, because you are committed to an unproven and unprovable notion of creationism, that is an expression of your lack of "free thinking"--even though you "freely will it.


As I have no idea of whether God wiggled His nose, said Poof, or what when He created the world, I do not rule out biological evolution. But yes, I do attribute creation to God. By the way, I am not Catholic. The Vatican has nothing to do with me or me it. I do not mean that to be offensive to Catholics in any way.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 10:46 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

Think it insincere if you wish. I can only tell you how I feel. Betty and Sue would get married if it were legal, yes. But, right now it's not. This wo't be on the public ballot. It's a moot point except for discussion. I don't write my congressman, etc. I just talk about it on this forum, with Betty and Sue, my husband, and maybe a few other people. I am sorry you don't like the way I see this issue.

Yes, it is just a discussion, but one I think is worth being spotlighted periodically. You may not have an opportunity to vote on it in your state yet but I will have a chance in Arizona in this year. The ballot issue being promoted here is a particularly regressive one that will affect not only same sex unions but also heterosexual ones. The Bible thumper crowd is particularly active here and you may see my response to it reflected in my postings. Even If you do not get a direct vote on the issue in your state, you still get to pick your representatives for congress.

Momma Angel wrote:
We are not under Mosaic Law and therefore the Sabbath is not one of the laws we are to live by. Christ has become the Sabbath for Christians. As far as divorce goes, there are times when divorce is the right thing to do even in God's eyes.


Well hallelujah. I am so pleased to see you dump the ten commandments along with the shrimp ban and foreskin trimming, or is # 4 the one that is not repeated in the New Testament?

Genesis 20:8-12 Commonly known as the fourth commandment.
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8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


I agree with you on divorce, however I also do not feel bound to obey biblical scripture. The reason I asked the question was to see if you were consistent or selective your taboos.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 10:53 pm
mesquite wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

Think it insincere if you wish. I can only tell you how I feel. Betty and Sue would get married if it were legal, yes. But, right now it's not. This wo't be on the public ballot. It's a moot point except for discussion. I don't write my congressman, etc. I just talk about it on this forum, with Betty and Sue, my husband, and maybe a few other people. I am sorry you don't like the way I see this issue.

Yes, it is just a discussion, but one I think is worth being spotlighted periodically. You may not have an opportunity to vote on it in your state yet but I will have a chance in Arizona in this year. The ballot issue being promoted here is a particularly regressive one that will affect not only same sex unions but also heterosexual ones. The Bible thumper crowd is particularly active here and you may see my response to it reflected in my postings. Even If you do not get a direct vote on the issue in your state, you still get to pick your representatives for congress.

I promise not to come to Arizona and say a word. And yes, I get to vote for who my congressperson is. So do you. So?

Momma Angel wrote:
We are not under Mosaic Law and therefore the Sabbath is not one of the laws we are to live by. Christ has become the Sabbath for Christians. As far as divorce goes, there are times when divorce is the right thing to do even in God's eyes.


Well hallelujah. I am so pleased to see you dump the ten commandments along with the shrimp ban and foreskin trimming, or is # 4 the one that is not repeated in the New Testament?

Genesis 20:8-12 Commonly known as the fourth commandment.
Quote:
8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


I have not dumped the Ten Commandments. I have said repeatedly (though maybe not in this thread) that nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament and are therefore part of the New Covenant. Christ has become the Sabbath. So, there is just not one day set aside for Him.

I agree with you on divorce, however I also do not feel bound to obey biblical scripture. The reason I asked the question was to see if you were consistent or selective your taboos.

Yes, I know exactly why you did it. :wink:
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mesquite
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 11:25 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
I have not dumped the Ten Commandments. I have said repeatedly (though maybe not in this thread) that nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament and are therefore part of the New Covenant. Christ has become the Sabbath. So, there is just not one day set aside for Him.


Shouldn't Christians then call it the Nine Commandments? :wink:
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jan, 2006 11:53 pm
I wouldn't go that far, Mesquite. Like I said, Christ is the Sabbath. We rest in Him.
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