Exactly Why Don't You Believe In the God of the Bible?

Do you expect that God would have us live on earth forever?

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Pauligirl Wrote:

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Nothing that I can think of. That's why I said what I said. If there's a god, he/she/it ought to be able to come up with something that would do it.

Let me ask you then, if God made it so everyone believed in Him, doesn't that take away our free will and would just make us puppets.

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Intrepid wrote:

1) Have you considered that it is not a ritual, but a way of life?

Nonsense. Being sprinkled with water, dunked under, or whatever is merely a ritual. There are numerous people that live by the same tenants that the Christians attempt to without ever going through the 'ritual' of baptism.

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2) The mother dying of advanced cancer will die at some point, as we all will. How do you know that she has not already been given extra time through prayer?

I suppose you don't know. Just like you don't know if your prayers are being offered up to God or an alien spaceship or thin air.

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3) Nobody said that life was a bowl of cherries.

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Intrepid wrote:

Do you expect that God would have us live on earth forever?

No, but I bloody well do expect for this supposed supreme being to pay us a glance every so often, especially if I'm to give over my life to him and live by HIS laws, HIS rules, and do so HIS way. Asking for, say, a 28 year old friend to not die on your floor isn't really begging much is it?

What I expect is for the work I've done in his name, the things I've endured for him to count for something here, now. A tad bit of help would cost him nothing.

But hey, it's all his plan. Pain and suffering here on earth for an unknown reward in heaven. What an ass-lousy recruitment policy that is.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Pauligirl Wrote:

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Nothing that I can think of. That's why I said what I said. If there's a god, he/she/it ought to be able to come up with something that would do it.

Let me ask you then, if God made it so everyone believed in Him, doesn't that take away our free will and would just make us puppets.

No. Belief in the existance of a god and worshipping it are two different things.
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I am sorry about your friend and can understand your pain. I think I can also understand why you feel as you do. I understand, but do not agree.

I have lost people too, including a 2 month old grandson. I do not blame God for that.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Questioner,

It is for me. It's hard for me to imagine anyone actually wanting others to suffer.

I can easily imagine a large number of the followers of Pat Robertson fitting that description.

http://www.intercom.net/~dayna/evil.html

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Questioner,

I cannot begin to know how that would feel. But, I do know that blaming God is not the answer. I know that when I don't get what I want it makes me angry too. But, I do believe that God loves us all.

And what makes you think that the work you have done for him doesn't count for something? Because you haven't seen the fruits? There are so many times in our lives that we do something and it will have a major effect on someone's life and we never know it. When I do what He wants me to do I do get something from it. I know that I am doing the right thing and I feel good about that.

Questioner, the pain and suffering we go through here on this earth is man created. We are responsible for it, not God.

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Mesquite,

Speaking for myself as a Christian, I don't want anyone to suffer. I don't believe God wants anyone to suffer. Anyone that actually wants someone to suffer has no clue about what forgiveness is all about.

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Gah, it's nothing. Sorry to go off like that, no point in it.

I have many reasons for disbelieving 'god'. There is a definative lack of caring on his part. Christians call him 'father', but he is perhaps the biggest deadbeat dad I've ever seen. I know full well that we all won't see eye to eye on that, and I should just leave it be.

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Ok Questioner. As Momma Angel says... we will just agree to disagree.

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Pauligirl Wrote:

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No. Belief in the existance of a god and worshipping it are two different things.

So you wouldn't have a problem in believing there is a God but you would have a problem worshipping that god?

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MA,
I am sorry, but I have to say that your definition of suffer and mine are somewhat different as with restricting the rights of certain groups.

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What does restricting the rights of certain groups have to do with the suffering we are speaking of? Am I reading that correctly? I'm not sure.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Pauligirl Wrote:

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No. Belief in the existance of a god and worshipping it are two different things.

So you wouldn't have a problem in believing there is a God but you would have a problem worshipping that god?

Depends on what god it turns out to be.

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Pauligirl,

Ok, how about we start with what your idea of what you think God should be?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Mesquite,

Speaking for myself as a Christian, I don't want anyone to suffer. I don't believe God wants anyone to suffer. Anyone that actually wants someone to suffer has no clue about what forgiveness is all about.

I think this is BS, MA.

Even good people get that feeling once in a while. "I'm mad and want to see you trip" . " I understand what it means to want to see pain, or to be indifferent to pain, because I have felt that too."

Frankly, I don't believe anyone who says otherwise. That would make the person a candidate for sainthood. Or a robot. Or dead inside.

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flushd,

I never said I didn't have feelings like that. Yes, we all do. We all say things in anger like drop dead, etc. But, do we really mean it? Deep down, do we really want someone to suffer or is it just our anger speaking in the heat of the moment?

I was taking what pauligirl said to mean that some Christians might actually want others to "burn in hell" so to speak. Believe me, I want that for no one.

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Understood, Ma.

However, others may have meant it. Yes, some people sometimes DO wish harm on others......even that they may burn in hell.

I think you know that. Why act ignorant to that knowledge (that there is unkindness in this world)? I know you aren't stupid.

Pauligirl was making a valid point. The Christian masses can wish ill will just like any other group. Her experience with Christian people (the living religion) is her own. She deserves to have that acknowledged. Religion is more than what you read and believe; obviously.

Thanks.
I'll butt out now.

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