ok..ok..Neologist..It is so long
kev, I asked some specific questions. We really aren't interested in sermons on the mount.
to Mr Ciceron..
Creation in 6 days..
World's day and galaxy's days r different..
Total life of world is 6 days.. But up to which galaxy ? .. If I know.. I say to you last day of the world.
to Mr Ciceron..
Slavery system is so general in the time of Prophets.. Prophets says all the time if you get free one of them .. You get into paradise or near expression.. But they didn't prevent completely.. Because of social life wasn't ready. But nowadays slavering system is generalized all over the world more than old time with another names..
GOD EXISTENCE
''The sun's manifestations and reflections appear in all small fragments of glass and droplets on the face of the earth. If those miniature, reflected imaginary suns are not ascribed to the sun in the sky, it is necessary to accept the external existence of an actual sun in every tiny fragment of glass smaller than a match-head, which possesses the sun's qualities and which, though small in size, bears profound meaning; and therefore to accept actual suns to the number of pieces of glass. '' BSN (Example is for God)
Way to kill a thread, kev.
O.K.. ic .. Mr edgarblythe
cicerone imposter wrote:edgarblythe wrote:
Frank, you know I love you like a brother. However, it is your belief...
I do not do believing.
In any case:
Quote:
Frank, you know I love you like a brother. However, it is your belief
that there is no way to choose between believing in a god and being an atheist.
If I did do believing...I certainly would not "believe" this.
It is easy to choose to believe in god or do atheistic thing.
All one has to do is to close one's mind...and make a guess.
Quote:You state that often enough it has to be a belief. The reason I can say with confidence that I am an atheist is that I am not caught up by the deist's made up concepts. I don't have to have evidence why a made up something does not exist. One needn't be a scientist or philosopher to grasp so plain a fact. Peace. [/quote[
You are guessing that there are no gods...and you are persisting in making that guess.
And you, like the thiests...are unable either to see that you are guessing...or unable to acknowledge it.
Or unwilling!
Peace to you too old friend. This idiot bringing this unnecessary discussion into this forum will not impact on how I feel about you or Edgar.
Doktor wrote:
Quoted for truth.
c.i. writes:
Clear and concise. I especially like "I don't have to have evidence why a made up something does not exist."[/quote]
edgarblythe wrote:Frank, you know I love you like a brother. However, it is your belief that there is no way to choose between believing in a god and being an atheist. You state that often enough it has to be a belief. The reason I can say with confidence that I am an atheist is that I am not caught up by the deist's made up concepts. I don't have to have evidence why a made up something does not exist. One needn't be a scientist or philosopher to grasp so plain a fact. Peace.
Oops...got to ci's version of this first.
Same response.
cicerone imposter wrote:Frank, We've just learned to come down out of the trees, and science is still in its infancy.
It's only a "guess" when an individual can find the answer to a question posed. There is no way to answer the question, "is there a god?" That's not even guessing; it's pure speculation without any hopes of finding the answer.
When there is no hope of finding the answer to a question, it is safe to assume no such thing exists. Saying, there might be a god doesn't clarify anything. It just hangs up there in limbo.
The reality of our existence is what we learn and live; no more, no less. The bigger questions of why is for the philosophers to answer. Most of us understand only our own world.
We must decide and determine what is real and not real during our lifetime. I have seen nothing to show any god exists; therefore, I have concluded that there is no god.
You are rationalizing...but I gotta play some poker right now. Back later.
By the by, ci...since you have seen nothing to show any sentient beings exist on any planets circling any of the 60 closest stars to ours...
...do you think it reasonable to conclude there are no sentient beings there?
kevnmoon wrote:to Mr Ciceron..
Creation in 6 days..
World's day and galaxy's days r different..
Total life of world is 6 days.. But up to which galaxy ? .. If I know.. I say to you last day of the world.
Translation:
That the six days of creation are not literal 24 hour days is indicated by Genesis 2:4, which reads: "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." Not only does this combine the entire creative period into a single day, but nowhere does it say the seventh day has ended.
Sorry, no further translation possible at this time. Continue with thread.
There is evidence that sentient beings might exist on other planets. The discovery of liquid water on a Saturn moon is one example. Water means there is a medium where life could evolve. So, one might term me an agnostic for that question.
Last year, one of the apartments' residents told me one of the local cats had been procreating with possums, producing yellow-gray young. She told me one of the offspring had been sitting on her patio rail, and when it saw her watching, it lifted a paw and waved it at her. This same woman described as real pink flying snakes with green wings, capable of descending on a cow and strangling it. Since there is no evidence to the contrary, am I to believe her? Could not God have suspended natural law and sent them to her? If I were an agnostic, would I suspend judgement? Her words are no more preposterous than the preacher's or the even-handed agnostic's.
edgarblythe wrote:There is evidence that sentient beings might exist on other planets. The discovery of liquid water on a Saturn moon is one example. Water means there is a medium where life could evolve. So, one might term me an agnostic for that question.
Last year, one of the apartments' residents told me one of the local cats had been procreating with possums, producing yellow-gray young. She told me one of the offspring had been sitting on her patio rail, and when it saw her watching, it lifted a paw and waved it at her. This same woman described as real pink flying snakes with green wings, capable of descending on a cow and strangling it. Since there is no evidence to the contrary, am I to believe her?
No reason to "believe" her.
Quote: Could not God have suspended natural law and sent them to her?
If there is a God...it might well have unlimited powers.
Quote: I were an agnostic, would I suspend judgement?
Not particularly.
Quote: Her words are no more preposterous than the preacher's or the even-handed agnostic's.
Bullshyt!
But I suspect you are not going to open your mind enough to realize that it is bullshyt, Edgar.
I love ya anyway.
On the contrary, Frank, I want to open your mindset to give up the unrealistic quest you are on.
Frank wrote:
By the by, ci...since you have seen nothing to show any sentient beings exist on any planets circling any of the 60 closest stars to ours...
...do you think it reasonable to conclude there are no sentient beings there?
A: We still don't know, but at least scientists are looking into that question on the possibility of sentient beings on other planets. There is no way for scientists to look into the question, "is there a god?" "Is there life on other planets" has some possibility based on human ingenuity.. There's a big difference between "we'll never know," and "we might get an answer."
cicerone imposter wrote:Frank wrote:
By the by, ci...since you have seen nothing to show any sentient beings exist on any planets circling any of the 60 closest stars to ours...
...do you think it reasonable to conclude there are no sentient beings there?
A: We still don't know, but at least scientists are looking into that question on the possibility of sentient beings on other planets. There is no way for scientists to look into the question, "is there a god?" "Is there life on other planets" has some possibility based on human ingenuity.. There's a big difference between "we'll never know," and "we might get an answer."
Yes...but what does that have to do with my question.
Give the question a shot.
By the way...since you acknowledge we CANNOT know there are no gods...why do you persist in inferring that you are not blindly guessing that there are none????
edgarblythe wrote:On the contrary, Frank, I want to open your mindset to give up the unrealistic quest you are on.
No, I don't think so.
I think you are trying to avoid dealing with the fact that my take on the issue "I really don't know" is so much more truthful and forthcoming than your insistance (read that: blind guess) that there are no gods."
edgar explained it quite well concerning "santient beings on other planets." That's my answer too! The Mars probe now orbitting Mars is looking into that very question.
