I'm an aethist....

Doktor S I wasn't referring to you when I talked about preaching, I was talking to KickyCan. Remember, I'm only 14, so I don't know much about much. One thing I have consistently noticed on this thread is people attacking each other with questions but not answering questions. I know I do this too.

Momma is right, young_thinker. You are a little light on life experience, most likely.

Remember, at some point in your life, something terrible is going to happen for seemingly no reason, and you will feel like the whole world is against you, and that you are as weak and as helpless as can be. Life will seem like it has no meaning. And at this moment, when you are at your lowest point, with no hope, you will hear a knock at your door, and when you open it, the lord will be standing there, and he will shine a glorious light, and there will be angels with trumpets blaring, and white doves, and the righteousness of the lord will shine upon you, and the lord will beckon for you to come to him and live a new life in Jesus...

My advice to you when this happens (and don't think it won't, mister) is to stand up straight, and in a confident and clear voice, tell god to quit making all that racket and get the hell off your porch.

You don't have to thank me. I'm just planting seeds here...

From Fresco:
If your beliefs include the concept of "_________________" then YOU can be deemed guilty by association of giving "support" to any lunatic who bases HIS violent actions in whole or in part on such a belief

Does anyone have the nerve or courage to address the nature of this statement?

Bartikus wrote:

From Fresco:
If your beliefs include the concept of "_________________" then YOU can be deemed guilty by association of giving "support" to any lunatic who bases HIS violent actions in whole or in part on such a belief

Does anyone have the nerve or courage to address the nature of this statement?

Actually I'm inclined to agree with Fresco.

No. That doesn't follow.

If I supported the death penalty then a reasonable expectation for me would be that innocent parties would occasionally be executed. My support is tantamount to my complicity in such an event. It is only by my withdrawal of support, or indeed my actions in voting against it that I can remove this complicity. If I continued my support I would saying the death of innocent victims is regretable but acceptable for "the good of the majority".

sure, why not.

dyslexia wrote:

sure, why not.

Ok. How many have you told were guilty by association based upon the belief of an afterlife with those who flew the planes into the twin towers?

How many loved ones have you told this? Honestly.

Bartikus wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

sure, why not.

Ok. How many have you told were guilty by association based upon the belief of an afterlife with those who flew the planes into the twin towers?

How many loved ones have you told this? Honestly.

Well to start off with, I don't have any "loved ones" that believe in an afterlife.

kickycan wrote:

Momma is right, young_thinker. You are a little light on life experience, most likely.

Remember, at some point in your life, something terrible is going to happen for seemingly no reason, and you will feel like the whole world is against you, and that you are as weak and as helpless as can be. Life will seem like it has no meaning. And at this moment, when you are at your lowest point, with no hope, you will hear a knock at your door, and when you open it, the lord will be standing there, and he will shine a glorious light, and there will be angels with trumpets blaring, and white doves, and the righteousness of the lord will shine upon you, and the lord will beckon for you to come to him and live a new life in Jesus...

My advice to you when this happens (and don't think it won't, mister) is to stand up straight, and in a confident and clear voice, tell god to quit making all that racket and get the hell off your porch.

You don't have to thank me. I'm just planting seeds here...

The Reverend Kicky, I presume

dyslexia wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

sure, why not.

Ok. How many have you told were guilty by association based upon the belief of an afterlife with those who flew the planes into the twin towers?

How many loved ones have you told this? Honestly.

Well to start off with, I don't have any "loved ones" that believe in an afterlife.

Any family or friends that do?

My discussion of "support for the death penalty" was an analogy for "support for an afterlfe" since both cause death.

Your argument about disbelief in God "putting me in the same camp as " atheists with various views or behaviours is totally fallacious. There is no logical or semantic connection between "atheist" and "murderer" but there IS a connection between "theist" and "afterlfe"(and "martyrdom").

But there is a connection between an atheist and those who would do harm because they do not believe in God or an after life.

this thread has turned into the most bizarre distortion of logic and reason I have encountered in weeks if not months on a2k.