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Another Bloody Day in Iraq While Bush Poses for Photo Op

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 06:59 am
revel wrote:
We must be fighting for someone's freedom because we can't give our freedom away fast enough all in the name of freedom.

Are you denying that we guided Iraq in setting up a constitutional democracy and are now fighting people there who wish to remove it? We certainly are fighting for someone's freedom. Obviously, this doesn't interest you much.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 07:24 am
Yes I do deny we helped set up the constitutional democracy in Iraq. Have you looked their constitution? Right off the bat it states that no laws can be passed that contradicts undisputed laws of Islam. Then it says that no laws can be passed which contradicts the constitution. It's clear as mud. What is "undisputed laws" of Islam? Who would decide that? The same people who are now fighting and killing each other? It has now been some weeks since the December election and they still haven't officially announced the election results. My guess of the reason why is because they know the Shiites have won a clear majority and their afraid the Sunnis that did participate in the elections, in the hopes of having a vote to change the constitution, will revolt when they realize they participated for nothing. Either that or the US is trying to interfere in some way with the results so that all parties are marginalized. If the Shiites do win a majority, we know Iran is going to have a huge influence on how the country is going to be run, then that surely won't be what most democratic countries consider a true democracy. Then again, ours is slowly slipping away so we don't have a whole lot of room to talk.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 07:52 am
It seems that many liberals underestimate either the intelligence or the desire for freedom that the Iraqi people have.

Do many of you look at the Iraqi people as children? Why the constant patronization about Iran having any influence over the comings and going in Iraq? It's a stupid argument. The Iraqi people have tasted freedom form an oppressive government and they will have no desire to go back to being oppressed.

It's good to see revel has read the entire constitution of Iraq instead of just listening to the dem talking points. Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 07:56 am
nice spin attempt there McG I'll give you that. Not very original though. Right out of the rove playbook.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:23 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
5 more Marines killed. An on an on, the killing continues. Americans and Iraqis. For what?

To leave the Iraqis with a functioning constitutional democracy which they have the ability to defend.


Assuming that we could even do that, (which as CI pointed out, we can't) would you sacrifice your only son and daughter for that cause?

If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


So your answer is no, you aren't willing to sacrifice your only child for this cause. I do not think anyone else would either.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:32 am
As of today, no one has sacrificed their children for that cause. What a brilliant concept... comparing adults going to war with parents sacrificing their children. Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:41 am
Brandon 9000 said....




If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.[/quote]

I have long believed Brandon would have difficulties finding anyone willing to mate with him. Laughing
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:46 am
Oh, comeon Bear. You found someone... how hard could it really be?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:47 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
5 more Marines killed. An on an on, the killing continues. Americans and Iraqis. For what?

To leave the Iraqis with a functioning constitutional democracy which they have the ability to defend.


Assuming that we could even do that, (which as CI pointed out, we can't) would you sacrifice your only son and daughter for that cause?

If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


So your answer is no, you aren't willing to sacrifice your only child for this cause. I do not think anyone else would either.

That is not what I said. What, now you just lie?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:47 am
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000 wrote:




If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


I have long believed Brandon would have difficulties finding anyone willing to mate with him. Laughing

I'm married, imbecile.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:49 am
and the someone I found was highly sought after... many tried and failed where I succeeded just by being myself.....
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:50 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000 wrote:




If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


I have long believed Brandon would have difficulties finding anyone willing to mate with him. Laughing

I'm married, imbecile.


who's the lucky guy?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:56 am
okay, enough of this foolishness. Let's get back on track. bush sucks. people who agree with him are idiots.

I would post a link but then the bushlickers would just claim it came from a biased source.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:56 am
Stop baiting people please.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:57 am
McGentrix wrote:
Stop baiting people please.


Brad... you're so... forceful.

I shall immediately desist in the face of such power.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 09:13 am
McGentrix wrote:
It seems that many liberals underestimate either the intelligence or the desire for freedom that the Iraqi people have.

Do many of you look at the Iraqi people as children? Why the constant patronization about Iran having any influence over the comings and going in Iraq? It's a stupid argument. The Iraqi people have tasted freedom form an oppressive government and they will have no desire to go back to being oppressed.

It's good to see revel has read the entire constitution of Iraq instead of just listening to the dem talking points. Rolling Eyes


Quote:
Article (2):


(b) No law can be passed that contradicts the principles of democracy.

(c) No law can be passed that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms outlined in this constitution.



Democracy means different things to different people. Our idea of democracy might not be what those in power in Iraq's idea of democracy is. But whatever law that are passed cannot contradict the "undisputed rules of Islam."

In any event, it seems that most of those laws have already been broken, like this one:

Quote:
(a) The Iraqi armed forces and security apparatuses consist of the components of the Iraqi people, keeping in consideration their balance and representation without discrimination or exclusion. They fall under the command of the civil authority, defend Iraq, don't act as a tool of oppression of the Iraqi people, don't intervene in political affairs and they play no role in the rotation of power.

(b) Forming military militias outside the framework of the armed forces is banned.


source

Why would you think it is treating the Iraqis as children to believe that the Shiite clerics have strong ties to Iran and the Shiites clerics have a major influence over the Shiite's people? Their idea of freedom might not be yours or mine.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 01:11 pm
In support of revel's post, above.

Middle East
Iran's Influence on Iraq by Mike Shuster

Morning Edition, April 29, 2005 ยท For as long as U.S. forces have been in Iraq, U.S. officials have worried about interference from neighboring Iran. There have been charges that Iran is slipping armed groups and intelligence agents across the border. The view from Iran is very different: Iranian officials and analysts say they too want a stable Iraq.

For Bushco supporters to ignore this concern shows how ignorant they are about current and future problems for Iraq's democracy.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:32 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
5 more Marines killed. An on an on, the killing continues. Americans and Iraqis. For what?

To leave the Iraqis with a functioning constitutional democracy which they have the ability to defend.


Assuming that we could even do that, (which as CI pointed out, we can't) would you sacrifice your only son and daughter for that cause?

If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


So your answer is no, you aren't willing to sacrifice your only child for this cause. I do not think anyone else would either.

That is not what I said. What, now you just lie?



Your answer was in the negative. If you want to change your answer, go ahead. You don't have to lie about it.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:39 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
Brandon 9000 wrote:




If I had a child, I don't think I would oppose his decision to serve in a war to help another country achieve something important, like freedom.


I have long believed Brandon would have difficulties finding anyone willing to mate with him. Laughing

I'm married, imbecile.


Pretty sad when this is all you got. Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 08:41 pm
Roxxxanne,

This is not a fair question. No one is asked to sacrifice their child for this war. The soldiers that are in the military are there because that is the choice they made. They know full well what the consequences may be.
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