Germans To Put Muslims Through "Loyalty" Test---WTF?

CJ-- Germany isn't the only country to have "problems with Muslims".

Lash, what are you asking by "is it really okay for Germany, but not the US"? To address the problems with Muslims?

And, yes, I think it's wrong. Walter says Germany "isn't at war" with Muslims... Neither are we. Yet, Germany is openly discriminating against them....

I said that part.

This is clearly discrimination. Why don't they give everyone a loyalty test? And, I can imagine the hue and cry if we were to do the same thing.

If it's wrong for one country, it's wrong for all.

And, yes, I think it's wrong. Walter says Germany "isn't at war" with Muslims... Neither are we. Yet, Germany is openly discriminating against them....

Germany | 31.12.2005

German State to Question Muslim Immigrants on Views

A German state has said that Muslims applying to immigrate will be singled out for tougher questioning from Jan. 1, in a decision blasted in Berlin as discriminatory.

The interior ministry of the southern state of Baden-Württemberg said in a statement on Friday that Muslim potential immigrants would face a lengthy interrogation including 30 questions on applicants' political and cultural views. Subjects would include their opinions on equal rights for men and women, religions freedom, honor killings and the attacks in the United States on Sept. 11, 2001.

The ministry said that Germany's 16 federal states must be permitted to learn whether potential new citizens truly accept the country's Basic Law, to which they are required under federal law to deliver an oath.

"There have been findings that Muslims can face a conflict and deliver an oath that does not correspond with their personal beliefs and thus does not fulfill the immigration requirements," the statement said. "Eliminating these doubts is the aim of a conversation that the immigration authorities will conduct with immigration applicants from Jan. 1, 2006 from the 57 states that belong to the Islamic conference (some 60 percent of all immigrants to Baden-Württemberg in 2004)."

Rule of law vs. Islam?

It added that other applicants who are "known to be" Muslims would face the line of questioning, as would any people whose oath did not appear to be credible. The statement said that while most Muslims accepted the German system, recent "honor killings" of Muslim women in Germany by family members were evidence of a conflict between the rule of law and an interpretation of Islam.

Berlin Interior Minister Ehrhart Körting said that he understood his counterpart Heribert Rech's concerns about integration of Muslims but slammed the policy for fostering prejudice.

"That is a serious danger to internal security and intolerable," he said.

Germany's states are given a wide berth to determine their own immigration and security policies under the federal system.

They are against our constitution FullStop

But we must have the first Muslim, who is singled out according to that bye-law and then he can go to the Federal Constitutional Court.

Which is my point.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

If all immigrants have to take the same test, then I think it's ok. If it's given only to musliims, then it is discriminatory.

yup.

a soverign nation has the right to allow or deny entry to any and all immigrants.

to me, the scenario becomes much clearer when i think about it in terms of who i will, or will not, allow into my home.

btw, how's the new pond, ducks ?

Hiya, DTOM. The water's fine in the new pond.

The reason why I say it should not be applied to just Muslims is that I can imagine fundamentalists of any religion giving unsatisfactory answers to such questions.......If they are only concerned with fundamentalist Islam, well, that's something different.