Why are you still a Christian?

Why? I guess because I'm skeptical of you. You are a Christian, and I am not. Don't you think that I am a heathen?

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echi Wrote:

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Hi, Momma Angel.
I don't mean to put you on the spot, but what does that mean?
Are you saying that some people might consider it reasonable to abandon reason?
Or are you saying that what to some people seems like abandonment of reason might seem perfectly reasonable to others? <<<<<Yes
Or are you saying something else, entirely?

What seems perfectly reasonable to me, like believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is obviously, considered at the very least, the abandonment of reason to others.

I don't require proof that God exists. Others do. To me, I think it's not reasonable at all to even ask God for proof of His existence. To me, looking at the sky is proof enough. But, to others it's not proof at all.

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echi Wrote:

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Why? I guess because I'm skeptical of you. You are a Christian, and I am not. Don't you think that I am a heathen?

Do I think that you are a heathen? Very Happy

Goodness no! Shocked

I find you to be a rather intriguing person. You sure come up with some good thought provoking questions.

But a heathen? Sorry, I am really giggling at that. Very Happy

echi, I really don't like to put derogatory labels on people. I really don't see a lot of value in that. I get angry at some people on A2K, yes. And sometimes I'm a bit more harsh than I'd like to be. I don't like the words they use to describe some things and I really don't like them making jokes about God, but I don't consider them heathens either.

I understand if you are skeptical. I can accept that. We will just deal with things as they go, ok? You are way too kind to ever be considered a heathen, at least in my book.

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Ya know, I actually really admire the your faith. It is obviously very solid. I guess that's the result of much soul searching. The thing that I don't understand is why you are devoted to a religion or to a book. It seems like those things would go against a person's intuition.

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echi wrote:

Ya know, I actually really admire the your faith. It is obviously very solid. I guess that's the result of much soul searching. The thing that I don't understand is why you are devoted to a religion or to a book. It seems like those things would go against a person's intuition.

echi,

Okay, first of all, I am not devoted to a religion or a book. What I am devoted to is Jesus Christ and His Word. To me that is completely different from a religion and a book.

Religion is what man makes. Spirituality is what God gives. I do believe the Bible is the Word of God and I have great faith in that. He has never let me down. He took what was a pitiful existence and turned me into someone I can actually be happy about being.

Sure, people can be good and not believe in God. But, we are not saved by our works. We are saved by grace through faith. Of course, having that faith makes me want to be a better person and do the things that are right.

It has taken a lot of soul searching and a lot of letting go and letting God in my life to get to where I am today. I am nothing like I once was and I thank God for that every day.

He says to lean on Him and give Him my burdens and He will give me rest and He does. He keeps His promises.

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Momma--

One time I was seeing this psychotherapist, and I felt like I couldn't really tell her what my real problems were because I was too afraid that she wouldn't be able to deal with it. I told her that, and she assured me that she could handle anything I had to say. Well, I wasn't convinced, and our sessions went nowhere.
Anyway, you remind me of her, right now.

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echi,

Let me tell you something, I can't think of much that I haven't heard in my 49 years on this earth. I've seen quite a bit also.

If you can't talk about what bothers you, it's always harder to deal with. So, tell you what, you do what you are comfortable with. If you ever want to take it private, we can do that. So, make it easy on yourself. Don't worry about me. I promise you, I can handle it.

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Momma--
You don't understand.
The only thing that bothers me is that I am sometimes uncomfortable having these religious debates, because I don't know if it is a good thing for me to try and shake anyone's faith. You all seem pretty happy as you are.

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echi,

It's ok. You CANNOT shake my faith. No one can shake my faith. If my faith could be shaken, I would not be in A2K discussing it.

So, debate away, my friend. It's ok. No judgements will come from me on you. And I promise you, you CANNOT shake my faith. It is of God. And you can't shake God!

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But that is essentially what I would be trying to do, and I don't know if that's such a good thing to be motivated by.
For you, it is good to win people over to your belief system, because you believe that it's the only way to God. As I see it, however, there are many ways, and your way might be the best way for you.

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echi wrote:

But that is essentially what I would be trying to do, and I don't know if that's such a good thing to be motivated by.
For you, it is good to win people over to your belief system, because you believe that it's the only way to God. As I see it, however, there are many ways, and your way might be the best way for you.

echi,

Ok, let me ask you this. Is your intent of the debate to convince me I am wrong and that you are right? Is your intent of the debate to turn me from God?

Or is your intent of the debate to exchange opinions, ideas, and beliefs for the mutual exchange of information?

Now, it doesn't really matter to me what your intent is, echi. I don't have a problem with you wanting to try to convert me away from what I believe. I'm not afraid of that because I know it cannot be done.

So, I will let you decide how and if you want to carry on our discussion.

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Those of us who have faith have that faith because we choose to do so.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Is your intent of the debate to turn me from God?

Or is your intent of the debate to exchange opinions, ideas, and beliefs for the mutual exchange of information?

When I started this thread, I was just interested in knowing the reasons people have for being Christian. After seeing the responses from you, Intrepid, Bartikus and some others, it's clear that we disagree on a more fundamental level than just what labels we prefer to use.
So the conversation, as I see it, has now become "Who is right?" (or, maybe, "Who is wrong?"). If any of you want to have this conversation, I will participate. I don't mind a bit, just as long as you're all clear about the topic.

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echi,

I don't mind continuing the conversation. But, I am not taking the who is right or who is wrong stance. I will take the if I disagree I will just agree to disagree.

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That's fair.

I have to go, but I'll be back soon.

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Why are you still a Christian? Why Not?

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The Christian belief system is not obvious; it is a teaching...it is something that has to be learned.
So, what was it that convinced you? How do you know that what you believe is true?

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Ok, one question at a time. What convinced me? Boy, that's a tough thing to explain, echi. A lot of what convinced me is seeing how other Christians acted and lived their lives. I could see a big difference. So, I was attracted to Christianity through them and then by study of the Bible and listening to God with my heart caused me to make that decision for Christ.

Is that a start?

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It's a start.

I can take your word for it that your faith in Christianity has yielded good results. I can even accept that, in some cases, prayer can (somehow) affect positive change.
But can you not imagine other reasons for these things? Couldn't there be another explanation that is easier to understand than the church dogma?

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echi wrote:

It's a start.

I can take your word for it that your faith in Christianity has yielded good results. I can even accept that, in some cases, prayer can (somehow) affect positive change.
But can you not imagine other reasons for these things? Couldn't there be another explanation that is easier to understand than the church dogma?

Prayer and positive change.....what would you think of a woman being healed of M.S and a 12 year old able to walk again? It had nothing to do with a church, a preacher, a religion, a pastor....etc.

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