Why are you still a Christian?

Right Bartikus. It has nothing at all to do with a building, a man, or a religion. It has everything to do with God.

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Bartikus wrote:

Prayer and positive change.....what would you think of a woman being healed of M.S and a 12 year old able to walk again? It had nothing to do with a church, a preacher, a religion, a pastor....etc.

Momma Angel wrote:

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Right Bartikus. It has nothing at all to do with a building, a man, or a religion. It has everything to do with God.

But, your belief that Jesus is the only Son of God, your interpretation of the Bible, is a religious belief. Why do you choose this belief to explain what you know? Why not interpret it some other way... some way that does not rely on dogma?

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echi,

I rely on the Word of God, not what some church or man says.

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Momma--

What are some of the main differences between what you now believe and what you were initially taught?

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Well, I was taught you had to be baptized to be saved. I was taught you had to go to church to be saved. I was taught that you had to only do good to be saved.

By grace are ye saved through faith.

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Bartikus wrote:

echi wrote:
It's a start.

I can take your word for it that your faith in Christianity has yielded good results. I can even accept that, in some cases, prayer can (somehow) affect positive change.
But can you not imagine other reasons for these things? Couldn't there be another explanation that is easier to understand than the church dogma?

Prayer and positive change.....what would you think of a woman being healed of M.S and a 12 year old able to walk again? It had nothing to do with a church, a preacher, a religion, a pastor....etc.

[insert clappy face]

Very well said!

Wanda

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I was raised by atheists who taught me that the beatitudes were important, that's why I am not a christian.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Well, I was taught you had to be baptized to be saved. I was taught you had to go to church to be saved. I was taught that you had to only do good to be saved.

By grace are ye saved through faith.

What changed your mind? How exactly did you come to realize that your salvation did not depend on these things?

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I'm the other one wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
echi wrote:
It's a start.

I can take your word for it that your faith in Christianity has yielded good results. I can even accept that, in some cases, prayer can (somehow) affect positive change.
But can you not imagine other reasons for these things? Couldn't there be another explanation that is easier to understand than the church dogma?

Prayer and positive change.....what would you think of a woman being healed of M.S and a 12 year old able to walk again? It had nothing to do with a church, a preacher, a religion, a pastor....etc.

[insert clappy face]

Very well said!

Very well said? What is the point of what Bartikus said? I don't see it.

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I'm not oppossing you echi, no worries.
Actually, I didn't even think of who his post was to until you said this.

All I was agreeing with is, it's not the preacher, it's not the place.....it's God who heals. Only him working thru his followers.

I've known of these healings and they are nothing short of miracelous. Amazing power indeed.

I like you echi. I realy do. I hope you don't think I'm disagreeing with anything you said.

Wanda

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You better NOT disagree with anything I say.

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echi Wrote:

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What changed your mind? How exactly did you come to realize that your salvation did not depend on these things?

A lot of Bible reading and studying. Scripture telling me what the real deal was.

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When I read the Bible I interpret it differently than you. Doesn't that mean that one of us must be wrong?

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I guess that all depends on what the differences are, echi. Do you have anything specific in mind?

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The first to come to mind is the Resurrection. I believe that it was a spiritual Resurrection... a Resurrection of Christ.
I assume that you believe in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus.
Does the Bible present any proof one way or the other?

I want to note, also, that I don't know how much of the Bible is history and how much is myth. (Just FYI)

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echi wrote:

You better NOT disagree with anything I say.

oh, ok.

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Momma,
Why do you think that you do not have to be baptized or go to church to be saved?

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Intrepid wrote:

Momma,
Why do you think that you do not have to be baptized or go to church to be saved?

Intrepid,

I believe that baptism is a sign of obedience but not a requirement for salvation. But, do not fear my friend, I am baptized by water and the Holy Spirit. I've got my bases covered!

Ok, and the church thing. I think that is also a thing of obedience so yes, I go to church. I love to go to church. However, I do believe that one can spread the gospel, learn about Christianity outside the walls of a church. I believe the real church is Christ in our hearts and our sharing that. I was brought up pretty much with the you gotta do this and do that to be saved. Thought it was something I had to earn.

I finally learned I could never earn it and it was a gift from God.

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I've been following this thread with great interest. I have some questions of my own. What does being saved mean to you? Is it just about going to heaven when you die, or is it about finding God?

If being saved means that God now lives inside you, shouldn't you always look inward from then on, and not outside yourself?

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echi Wrote:

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The first to come to mind is the Resurrection. I believe that it was a spiritual Resurrection... a Resurrection of Christ.
I assume that you believe in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus.
Does the Bible present any proof one way or the other?

I want to note, also, that I don't know how much of the Bible is history and how much is myth. (Just FYI)

echi,

I believe it was a bodily resurrection. Jesus Christ was the Son of God. He cannot die a spiritual death. He did die a physical death. He was laid in a tomb and on the third day the stone was rolled away and He rose up. There are plenty of sightings of Him after his resurrection and before His ascension into heaven.

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