The US, UN & Iraq III

perception just how many times can you use the location of my abode as a means to insult me? its not only inane, its infantile. Oops that explains it, never mind.

This has been fun but let's get back to topic----Tartarin---I'm curious how you slipped up and posted that wonderful article on the "Failure of the Security Council". Almost every paragraph of that wonderful article has a "nugget" of wisdom.

Dys I've never insulted you but if I ever do you will know it.

the specifics you have given to explain why i am wrong 1. I live in a cave 2. I live in a tent. I live in a cliff house. i ask you perception, again, why does where i live have anything to do with what i say?

Because it was about the topic at hand, Perception. Why not? You see these discussions as a battleground in which we're out to "win." Many of us see the forum as an opportunity to share ideas, ideas we love, ideas we find odd or inappropriate but nonetheless stimulating. I'm really tired of defending myself from someone who has no real interest in discussion, only in shouting a point of view, putting others down, getting attention.

Tartarin:

Your last comical line is a real "Hoot"-----would you like me to list the last hundred of your shout downs? Don't worry I won't bore the participants with it.

Phew it's impossible to keep up if you miss a few days, but I just noticed this. And I would like to say that Al-Jazeera is an independent arab TV station operating out of Quatar. They are heartily disliked by many regimes in the Middle East, so they are not plugging anyone's party line. They put things from an arab viewpoint, that's all. They have the biggest audience of any TV channel believe, 35 million. So in the interests of balance I think they are a power for good, on the whole.

My opinion is that you are more likely to get "the straight of it" from them than from Fox News.

Dys - Arabic, Kurdish, Turkish and Iranian are all spoken in Iraq. I know Turkey made teaching or using Kurdish in public a criminal offense (even though a third of its population speak it at home) but wasn't aware of Saddam doing the same; what did you mean by your comment about banning their native language?

Thanks for letting me know you're not the Joe Nation of the California legislature, Joe! Didn't mean to offend you; it's an unusual name, so I asked. As to your intimidating vocabulary - the mind goggles <G>

Perception:

I think you are wrong about Tartarin. She never shouts people down like you do when you call them unpatriotic or worse for their views when they differ from your own. Independent minded and damn interesting is what I would call her remarks. Not boring...

Dys wrote:

the specifics you have given to explain why i am wrong 1. I live in a cave 2. I live in a tent. I live in a cliff house. i ask you perception, again, why does where i live have anything to do with what i say?

It doesn't have a thing to do with what you say but it may explain why you fail to reply when someone pins you down like Steissd just did about DISINFORMATION on FOX news. BTW we're still waiting for your specifics.

SShhiisssh- I feel like I'm in the Tundra with millions of mosquitoes buzzing around. We're back to the support group mentality again.

Thanks, Vnn!

McTag -- I haven't watched Fox News (except at the gym, en passant) since election night 2000 but I am a fan of Al-Jazeera. The out-of-hand rejection of Al-Jazeera by many in the US is a measure of the narrowness of "allowable" political discussion in the US at this time. We're not awfully tolerant of different points of view (or had you noticed?) But we love, love, love the notion of spreading uh freedom and democracy um elsewhere in the world!!

McTag wrote:

(Speaking of Al Jazeera)
They put things from an arab viewpoint, that's all. They have the biggest audience of any TV channel believe, 35 million. So in the interests of balance I think they are a power for good, on the whole.

They put things from an Arab viewpoint, thats all---why didn't you add-----to the exclusion of the US viewpoint. Do you call that honest and objective reporting? Maybe that's why the Iraqis chased the Al Jazeera reporters to the Kuwait border----when they found out Baghdad Bob was lying to them through Al Jazeera.

Tartarin wrote:

McTag -- I haven't watched Fox News (except at the gym, en passant) since election night 2000 but I am a fan of Al-Jazeera.

LOL---Wonderful example of tolerance of the other point of view.
(Laughter)))))))))))))))))))))))

so perception how many hours do you have logged on to Al Jazeera getting the other point of view?

FOCUS CHECK

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OK ... carry on.

And the major US networks report the arab point of view, in an unbiassed fashion, is that what you're saying?

Which does touch on the U.S., the U.N., and Iraq. Particularly since a lot of the U.N. has more of an acquaintance with more Arabs than most of the U.S.

Al Jazeera represents a view point which is legitimate to their viewers, just as Fox news does to theirs. Maybe more so. But, if one were to believe the Fox slogan of "fair and balanced," then one must also listen to other news for balance, verdad?

Actually, there are many foreign papers (not European) which can be brought up to look at, most of them members of the U.N. If I remember, dawn.com is Pakistan (maybe), the Times of India, where I first encountered the comic strip "Dubya," camera.org. (media coverage of Israel). I first started with Al Jazeera when you had to get translations, but the pictures certainly told a story.

Not wanting to hear a different outlook quite often is a result of fear. Like republicans not wanting to hear democrats, and vice versa. Won't like what you hear. But sometimes it can be very enlightening, and may lead to a bit of understanding that wasn't there before. I think maybe one of the things about Iraq was that there was very little understanding of the country, its history, its economy, its language - there was only the single factor involved, and that's what's led to the present situation.

Oh Oh---the thought police are here again.

Dys

We're still waiting for your examples of DISINFORMATION from FOX.