The US, UN & Iraq III

perception wrote:

[...]do you still think the only country telling lies is the US?

I've never thought, a country and/or the USA were telling lies.

But part of the US-administration obviously is - besides some hundreds of other politicans all over the world.

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http://www.freep.com/voices/edit_art/082003_mt.jpg

http://www.topplebush.com/humor/bringemon.gif

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I heard somebody from the administration this past weekend telling the world that the US has over 35 countries participating in the security in Iraq, and some 45 countries contributing money toward it's reconstruction. What he failed to mention was the numbers. Wink

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What you will never see is France in the mix. I just found out yesterday why so many people died in France during the heat wave. Everyone in France went on holiday and left the old folks to die. Some didn't even come home for the funeral. BTW the number of dead is up to 10,000.

That will cut back on the drain on the Socialist budget.

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Hello, goofing off between classes. Smile

Just a clarification: 6 years active duty, 4 years Guard, aged 22 when I went in.
As for al-Jazeera, they aren't telling any lies, that I've been able to find out, although there are other Arab language satellite channels that have a sense of accuracy that conforms to that of FOX. Al-Jazeera is actually closer to CNN, in that it seems to try to be accurate, but still maintains a bias consistant with its location in Qatar. It is more pan-Arab/Arab Nationalist than anything else. In addition, al-Jazeera has not shied away from taking on some of the autocrats in the region, like Assad. Apparently most of its staff learned their trade with the BBC World Service.

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Apparently most of its staff learned their trade with the BBC World Service.

Oh that makes everything OK----Just like Andrew Gilligan.

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Silly issue that, the one about one's "service." I spent three years on active duty with the U.S. Army Medical Corps. When i got out, and got a notice to report for reserve duty, i wrote back and told them where to put their orders.

What i can say from my experience in the army, is that on the ground, up close, when you're stuffing the obscene gaping hole in someone's body with pressure dressings, and hoping to god that the poor son-of-a-bitch doesn't bleed to death before the chopper gets there, you develop a starkly different perspective of what values ought to apply in the decision to go to war than that which is developed in the arm chair. Or that which is developed in the oval office by a bunch of clowns who have never heard a shot fired in anger.

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Yeap, as Adam Gopnik writes in The New Yorker:

Quote:

Paris Journal: THE ANTI-ANTI-AMERICANS

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Here's a link to the "coalition" information that the administration yokel was trying to impress upon the world. He said 35 countries are participating in the "coalition," but actually only six are in combat participation. Talk about "misleading" information at which this administration are experts. c.i.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.-led_coalition_against_Iraq#Combat_troops

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thank God Palau and Iceland are still with us..I was worried for a moment! Rolling Eyes

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perception wrote:

Just to place my opinions into some sort of perspective for anyone viewing this little exchange----my 20 years of military experience gives no creedence to that related by Hobitbob. While there were many hardships for my family the only truly frustrating aspect was the sad lack of leadership during the Vietnam war----civilian and military i.e., Westmoreland, McNammara, and LBJ. End of statement.

I also doubt you served in the military in the 1990s. Things were different for you than for me. Most likely you were long gone by the time I entered. My inderstanding of the situation is that active duty service has only gotten worse since I left. There was a wonderful socialogical study of the soldiers and civilians around Ft. Benning that came out a few years ago, that describes a subclass of the lower middle class that has become the "feeder group" for the US military in the last fifteen years. I will try and find it.

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hobit, Don't forget Micronesia, another country without any military that's included in the "coalition." c.i.

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Also, without $, they are in the coalition so their foreign aid won't be haulted!

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In today's NYT, there's a rather unbelievable report by Scott Ritter:

A Weapons Cache We'll Never See

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So basically, Valter, we had it all under our collective nose, and missed it entirely. This article is saying that Rummy's crew went in there without a plan, without a clue . . . just how does that qualify as news?

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How convenient for the Bushites, thanks Walter!!!!

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Tetanta wrote:

This article is saying that Rummy's crew went in there without a plan, without a clue . . . just how does that qualify as news?

I don't think, the NYT published it as 'news' :wink:

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Okay, call it "olds"

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''We discussed with coalition officials the issues of the number of personnel we have in Iraq and the issue of a time frame for troops to be here. We have an intelligence problem, and we have to deal with that. Our discussions will continue,'' Davis said. ''We would be pleased to see international troops come to Iraq.''

Palau and Iceland?

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We have an intelligence problem,

D'uh!!!!!

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