The US, UN & Iraq III

Perception

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"In light of the recent appeals court ruling in California, with respect to the Pledge of Allegiance, the following recollection from Senator John McCain is very appropriate:.

and fortunately we still have a supreme court that regards the bill of rights higher than the opinions of men.

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And just one more reason why Mr. Rumsfeld and friends are exactly the guys to turn to for Truth You Can Count On.

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An air strike which American spokesmen were confident had killed Saddam Hussein in a Baghdad restaurant missed its target and hit nearby homes, killing at least eight people.

Three children were among the dead when four satellite-guided bombs were dropped by a B1 Lancer. A jagged crater 25ft deep, strewn with debris and smelling of rotting flesh, is all that remains of the two homes in the suburb of Mansur.

About 20 yards from the crater, the al-Sa'ah restaurant was open for lunch yesterday. Its windows had been blown out and its customers had to eat outside, but the building appeared to have suffered no serious structural damage.

American intelligence said at the time of the bombing on April 8 that Saddam and his two sons, Uday and Qusay, had been meeting key aides in the restaurant. But far from being an elite restaurant patronised by the old regime, al-Sa'ah is a cheap establishment selling chicken lunches for about £1.

The B1 aircraft dropped two GBU31 bunker-buster bombs shortly after 3pm. After a three-second interval, another two 2,000lb bombs were dropped. American officials claimed that the restaurant had been "pulverised" and that, if Saddam had been inside at the time, he would not have escaped...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F21%2Fwbomb21.xml

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See, Blatham? We're big winners!! All you have to do is say words like "bunker-buster" and "pulverized" and -- whoopee! snap your fingers! bingo! --you'll be believed by enough Americans to get reelected. Or something like that! Ain't America wonderful? Don't our armed forces have incredible aim? Can I also get this movie in video?

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Dys wrote:

<and fortunately we still have a supreme court that regards the bill of rights higher than the opinions of men.>

But surely Dys you don't recognize that group of crooks who installed another crook in the white house. You can't have it both ways but you keep trying.

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A mind convinced against it's will is of the same opinion still

Is it the flag, the oath or the sovereignty of a man's convictions at issue?

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Blatham

Your article shows an old photo----the site has since been excavated and I heard they recovered 14 bodies in uniform!
Both a new picture and the report of 14 bodies was on FOX news but no link is avail.

I can only hope that your article is wrong and I am correct!

Timber do you know anything about this site?

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"The Restaurant" was not the target, though The Media seems to have fixed on that idea. The target was a cluster of buildings, including at least one ostensiblble residential unit, to which The Restaurant was adjacent. Ongoing forensic recovery has confirmed significant deathtoll among uniformed personnel, along with both inderterminate and clearly civilian casualties. While many press reports focus on The Restaurant, no official statement I am aware of lists The Restaurant as the Designated Target. Further developments are assured as the investigation proceeds.

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I don't have a link either, but I recall a broadcast piece a few days ago which explicitly remarked on the "Huge, still-smoking crater and the nearly intact, apart from broken glass and superficial facade damage, nearby restaurant", or words to that effect. I don't doubt the intended target was hit, and I am comfortable that it was hit on reliable intelligence.

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The latest about this is in The Globe and Mail: no mentioning either (as in any other papers) about 14 bodies in uniform:
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030422.usadd0422/BNStory/International

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What you are hearing now is US officials trying to back off the "We got'em, we got'em story." Someone must have gotten an international law attorney to read the part about purposely targeting a Head of State. (not permitted)

Ya gotta make it look like an accident.

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Perc: re; McCain and the Pledge. I don't think there is anyone on this forum who meets your description (flag-meaningless-corrupt blah blah). Nice setup of a straw man though. Laughing

I personally like McCain though he is too conservative on most issues for me, the one area I do agree with him - campaign finance- the GOP opposes him. Go figure. I was sorry the Republicans treated him so badly in choosing GWB over him. I wish John was President now, don't you?

Okay, back on topic now. Any further discussion of potential candidates will be put in another forum or PM'd. :wink:

Joe

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perception wrote:

Dys wrote:
But surely Dys you don't recognize that group of crooks who installed another crook in the white house. You can't have it both ways but you keep trying.

Percption: just another stab in the dark for you? before opening mouth and inserting your foot once again please review EVERY post i have made and find ONE post where i said anything about the supreme court installing Bush. never happened, but you go ahead and make it up as you go, it lends even less to your credibility.

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I personally like McCain though he is too conservative on most issues for me, the one area I do agree with him - campaign finance- the GOP opposes him. Go figure. I was sorry the Republicans treated him so badly in choosing GWB over him. I wish John was President now, don't you?

Joe Nation, I am responding to this even though you ordered us to revert to topic. I do not follow certain orders well. Laughing

I, too, admire and respect McCain and probably would have voted for him if he had been the candidate, although he does appear to be a loose cannon at times. I read everything he writes, if it appears in the media, and I enjoyed the piece that perception posted. I'm glad McCain did not put under God in boldface, or I'd have written him a letter. I grew up with the Pledge the original way, and it was just fine, thanks. It could be repeated sincerely by every American citizen.

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And the crowd was beside it's self ...

http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/evening-standard-crowd.htm

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scary...

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Does the attempt to control in this manner mean they have lost control or they want more?

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Gel wrote:

And the crowd was beside it's self ...

Who is supposed to be doing what to whom---why would you give credence to a blurred photo of a crowd that is supposed to be watching the toppling of Saddam's statue but does not show the statue toppling?????????

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You think you are confused ..... what about that poor kid at fotomatique .... always , me me me me me me, maybe it's not about you, maybe it's about the guy in the picture ..... yeah the one in the turbine

SSHHHEEEEESSHHHH

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Chompsky, for those still as yet not completely under bamboozleitude... http://zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=36&ItemID=3450

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Joe Nation wrote:

I wish John was President now, don't you? (speaking of John McCain)

I would predict the we would be in exactly the same location in the same scenario except that we would have a new list of characters except perhaps Colin Powell. He was on everyones short list for Sec Def or Sec of State.

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perception wrote:

Three star general Bernard Trainor has just published a book on the subject and yesterday gave a discussion on C-span.

If you read "War on Iraq" by Scott Ritter and William Rivers Pitt, and the first chapter of "Stupid White Men", i'll make sure i'll read the recommendation of yours after my exams.

Daf

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