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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:48 pm
Perception, Dean is not my hero, i have never had nor likely ever will have a political hero, I went to war under Johnson and watched Nixon fumble away more lives searching for a honorable peace, you seem to need to concretize people in little boxes and nail them shut but none of us fit. I range from politically far left to politically far right depending on the issue but you seem to have my number be it right or wrong. i would call that perception with blinders.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:49 pm
What does it matter what pundits and spinmasters say ABOUT Dean? If you want to make up your own mind, why not go to the source?

Dean on:
Healthcare

Education

Foreign Policy/National Security

The Environment

Civil Rights

Labor

Dean's Recent Press Releases
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:03 pm
What! Read! what are you crazy? I got all the information I need right up here in the old noggin ....... rread ..... ha I say to you ......ha

Christ I'm turning in .... ha......read ....
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:05 pm
Ge: lol: Laughing
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:57 pm
I think John Dean was mentioned a few posts back, so this might be interesting to those who have't read it. John Dean talks about the fact that Bush may have committed an impeachable offense - that it does appear to look like deliberate lying.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

Lieberman may sound like the voice of reason to some - but there's good reason why he is attracting fewer and fewer.

Also, on the news tonight, there was discussion about the strong possibility of gas prices really rising - whic, most agreed, is never a healthy sign for the economy. And, of course, the Iraqi oil fields are not producing nearly what was expected. Which is true of most of what is happening in Iraq. Bremer sems to have a comment each day on how it isn't good there, and how things could get worse. Pay your money, take your choice, but bremer is the man on the daily scene.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 12:46 am
from Janes...
Quote:
On imperial overstretch: can the USA afford to send its troops here, there and everywhere?
The official view from the Pentagon is that all is going well in Iraq and that the US forces are more than ready to continue the global war against terrorism. And yet, as the army commanders and planners in the Pentagon know only too well, this is a mere diplomatic smokescreen. The reality is that US forces are now severely overstretched and the number of their military commitments worldwide is increasing by the day.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030806_1_n.shtml
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 01:23 am
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 02:30 am
Hats off once again, kuvasz.

Simply the observation that someone handling themselves 'perception' and getting the guy's name wrong--more than once-- was enough to render invalid his opinion for me.

But you, as always, pointed out with rapier wit the other flaws in his perception.

Give your big dog a large marrow-filled bone and tell him it's from me.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 03:46 am
Kuvaz, my God you are something to wake up to .... I'm gonna read it again ........ thanks and a tip o the ol fedora
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 04:46 am
Well said, kuvasz.
But it does take most of the fun away when you pop P's balloon so completely, he'll be back soon but he won't mention anything you said. He'll try to find another tack,,,,, maybe how certain bodily fluids are addictive......

:wink: J
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 05:11 am
mamajuana wrote:
Perhaps the perception of the democrats from the republican side is no more accurate nor clear than the democrats' perception of the republicans.

Perhaps...

And perhaps that means each side needs to spend less (no?) time telling the other what the other thinks, means or intends and spend more time asking the other side what it thinks, means or intends.

(In case it is not clear, I think you are right on this point, and it's one I'm happy to see someone make.)
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 06:58 am
a
A good Tuesday to you.

turn on your speakers ...... be patient

SMILE
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 08:45 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
What! Read! what are you crazy? I got all the information I need right up here in the old noggin ....... rread ..... ha I say to you ......ha

My bad ... forgive me. I momentarily glossed over that you're a librul Twisted Evil Laughing Laughing Laughing :wink:
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:01 am
Wrong again Mr. T.
Babtist
SmileSmileSmile
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:04 am
Kuvasz

Well done----that was a nice piece of writing and I deserved all of that.

I was trying to stir up a honets nest and the chief hornet"what am in charge"stung me bad.

I admit to being very worried about the money situation and the "cheap talk" of promising money that never shows up. The first really serious example that I am aware of is in Afghanistan. What money does show up is gobbled up by all the various agencies to buy pretty white Range Rovers to park in front of their villas.

The failure to increase the death benefit for those killed in action is a crime but I'm not certain who is really responsible but for now I must take your facts at face value. It was admirable of you to air all those injustices being heaped upon the military.

I still believe Krugman is a marxist or at least an anarchist who wants to bring down this country from within. His continual rants against this administration can only cast doubts on our entire governmental system. IMO his negative psychological approach can only have damaging effects and create doubts about the future of capitalism as the engine that will ensure the continued growth and prosperity of this nation. Doubts can be just as deadly as terrorist attacks. This causes me to remind you that our huge deficit is largely due to the gigantic financial shock waves caused by the attacks of 9/11. Many of the worlds airlines nearly folded and they all probably would have if not for gov't assistance. The tourist industry still has not recovered. When you then consider the economic chaos caused by the collapse of several giant corporations in turn caused by greed I believe that Bush can only be blamed for a small portion of the apparent economic catastrophy confronting us.

Again congratulations on a scathing bit of writing----it will cause me to have an agonizing reappraisal of my cards as I retreat bowing and licking my wounds.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:15 am
a
And as he rode into the mid day sun toward Crawford Tx. he turned and whispered .... and the horse you rode in on ......
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:22 am
Sorry, Gel ... we don't get many Babtists up here in The Northwoods ... though we is overrun with Lootrans. Laughing

Oh, and perc ... you needn't consider your redeployment a retreat; call it a strategic realignment designed to acheive advantage through revised positioning in reaction to unexpected opportunities ... generals do that all the time Laughing
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 10:48 am
Good work, kuvasz.
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 10:49 am
Timber Laughing Laughing
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 01:01 pm
perception - and that was a nice piece of writing, too. And perceptive.
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