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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:48 pm
Perception, Dean is not my hero, i have never had nor likely ever will have a political hero, I went to war under Johnson and watched Nixon fumble away more lives searching for a honorable peace, you seem to need to concretize people in little boxes and nail them shut but none of us fit. I range from politically far left to politically far right depending on the issue but you seem to have my number be it right or wrong. i would call that perception with blinders.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:49 pm
What does it matter what pundits and spinmasters say ABOUT Dean? If you want to make up your own mind, why not go to the source?

Dean on:
Healthcare

Education

Foreign Policy/National Security

The Environment

Civil Rights

Labor

Dean's Recent Press Releases
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:03 pm
What! Read! what are you crazy? I got all the information I need right up here in the old noggin ....... rread ..... ha I say to you ......ha

Christ I'm turning in .... ha......read ....
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:05 pm
Ge: lol: Laughing
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 10:57 pm
I think John Dean was mentioned a few posts back, so this might be interesting to those who have't read it. John Dean talks about the fact that Bush may have committed an impeachable offense - that it does appear to look like deliberate lying.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

Lieberman may sound like the voice of reason to some - but there's good reason why he is attracting fewer and fewer.

Also, on the news tonight, there was discussion about the strong possibility of gas prices really rising - whic, most agreed, is never a healthy sign for the economy. And, of course, the Iraqi oil fields are not producing nearly what was expected. Which is true of most of what is happening in Iraq. Bremer sems to have a comment each day on how it isn't good there, and how things could get worse. Pay your money, take your choice, but bremer is the man on the daily scene.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 12:46 am
from Janes...
Quote:
On imperial overstretch: can the USA afford to send its troops here, there and everywhere?
The official view from the Pentagon is that all is going well in Iraq and that the US forces are more than ready to continue the global war against terrorism. And yet, as the army commanders and planners in the Pentagon know only too well, this is a mere diplomatic smokescreen. The reality is that US forces are now severely overstretched and the number of their military commitments worldwide is increasing by the day.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr030806_1_n.shtml
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 01:23 am
The entity former called perception seems to show a profound lack of it. It is difficult to take seriously the rambling rants of one who cannot tell the difference between John Dean and Howard Dean. A heads up, Howard Dean is running for president. John Dean says Bush should be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors for lying about the reasons he led the country to war. Also, the latter Dean is a Republican.

While George Bush was going AWOL from the TANG and getting arrested for being a drunk and coked up in the ?'70's Howard Dean was saving lives as a medical doctor. Given me the latter so-called "leftist" any day over a spoiled rich kid who never did anything without his daddy helping him..

You might want to attempt to explain what Dean, the Howard one that is, is doing to be called a leftist. You might also try to explain how what he is saying in his plans are demonstrably false, and 10 consecutive balanced budgets while a 5 time governor and providing health care to children under 18 years of age is Marxism in action.

BTW Paul Krugman?

Let me get this straight. Are we talking about the same Paul Krugman? The one who has been honored with the Eccles Prize for Excellence in Economic Writing, the John Bates Clark Medal, the Adam Smith Award, the Nikkei Prize (with M. Fujita and A. Venables), and the Alonso Prize? Is that the sort of limited economic background to which the perceptionless one implies?

As to one who declares someone else a Marxist, they should put up or shut up and be able to define Marxism and explain how the person he calls one is one and teaches it. I presume the fartist formally known as perception can explain Marxism and how Krugman is teaching it.

Krugman is telling the truth about the banditry perpetrated by the Bush crime family, which is also pointed out recently by a Nobel prize winner in economics.

The 2001 winner of the Nobel Prize for Economics, George Akerlof, told Der Spiegel, "This is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history...This is not normal government policy." In describing the impact of the Bush policies on America's future, Akerloff added, "What we have here is a form of looting."

No doubt about it.


As to the unsupportable comment about antipathy for Howard Dean by military vets from the Gulf wars, one should note that Howard Dean supported the first Gulf war, and did not support the second one because he felt that with Bin Laden and al-Queada still on the loose the case had not been made truthfully that Iraq was a direct, imminent threat to the US. This appears to be truer each day as the corruption and lies of the Bush administration are revealed about their distortions up to the start of the war.

But about those vets: perhaps they are beginning to realize that they too are being screwed by the Bush administration:

From that bastion of ultra liberal, Marxist and Leftist thought, the US Army Times, comes the following about how Bush has screwed the fighting men and women of our military: and by the way, within days this editorial was removed from the US Army Times web site until a cacophony of protests about its disappearance resulted in the article reappearing.

http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=0-ARMYPAPER-1954515.php


"Editorial
"Nothing but lip service

"In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap ?- and getting cheaper by the day, judging from the nickel-and-dime treatment the troops are getting lately.

"For example, the White House griped that various pay-and-benefits incentives added to the 2004 defense budget by Congress are wasteful and unnecessary ?- including a modest proposal to double the $6,000 gratuity paid to families of troops who die on active duty. This comes at a time when Americans continue to die in Iraq at a rate of about one a day.

"Similarly, the administration announced that on Oct. 1 it wants to roll back recent modest increases in monthly imminent-danger pay (from $225 to $150) and family-separation allowance (from $250 to $100) for troops getting shot at in combat zones.

"Then there's military tax relief ?- or the lack thereof. As Bush and Republican leaders in Congress preach the mantra of tax cuts, they can't seem to find time to make progress on minor tax provisions that would be a boon to military homeowners, reservists who travel long distances for training and parents deployed to combat zones, among others.

"Incredibly, one of those tax provisions ?- easing residency rules for service members to qualify for capital-gains exemptions when selling a home ?- has been a homeless orphan in the corridors of power for more than five years now.
The chintz even extends to basic pay. While Bush's proposed 2004 defense budget would continue higher targeted raises for some ranks, he also proposed capping raises for E-1s, E-2s and O-1s at 2 percent, well below the average raise of 4.1 percent.

"The Senate version of the defense bill rejects that idea, and would provide minimum 3.7 percent raises for all and higher targeted hikes for some. But the House version of the bill goes along with Bush, making this an issue still to be hashed out in upcoming negotiations.

"All of which brings us to the latest indignity ?- Bush's $9.2 billion military construction request for 2004, which was set a full $1.5 billion below this year's budget on the expectation that Congress, as has become tradition in recent years, would add funding as it drafted the construction appropriations bill.
But Bush's tax cuts have left little elbow room in the 2004 federal budget that is taking shape, and the squeeze is on across the board.

"The result: Not only has the House Appropriations military construction panel accepted Bush's proposed $1.5 billion cut, it voted to reduce construction spending by an additional $41 million next year.

"Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, took a stab at restoring $1 billion of the $1.5 billion cut in Bush's construction budget. He proposed to cover that cost by trimming recent tax cuts for the roughly 200,000 Americans who earn more than $1 million a year. Instead of a tax break of $88,300, they would receive $83,500.

"The Republican majority on the construction appropriations panel quickly shot Obey down. And so the outlook for making progress next year in tackling the huge backlog of work that needs to be done on crumbling military housing and other facilities is bleak at best.

"Taken piecemeal, all these corner-cutting moves might be viewed as mere flesh wounds. But even flesh wounds are fatal if you suffer enough of them. It adds up to a troubling pattern that eventually will hurt morale ?- especially if the current breakneck operations tempo also rolls on unchecked and the tense situations in Iraq and Afghanistan do not ease.

"Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, who notes that the House passed a resolution in March pledging "unequivocal support" to service members and their families, puts it this way: "American military men and women don't deserve to be saluted with our words and insulted by our actions."

"Translation: Money talks ?- and we all know what walks. "


Yes, the military can spot Bush's lies, after all they have to clean up the messes his lies produce and risk their lives for the mistakes he makes.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 02:30 am
Hats off once again, kuvasz.

Simply the observation that someone handling themselves 'perception' and getting the guy's name wrong--more than once-- was enough to render invalid his opinion for me.

But you, as always, pointed out with rapier wit the other flaws in his perception.

Give your big dog a large marrow-filled bone and tell him it's from me.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 03:46 am
Kuvaz, my God you are something to wake up to .... I'm gonna read it again ........ thanks and a tip o the ol fedora
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 04:46 am
Well said, kuvasz.
But it does take most of the fun away when you pop P's balloon so completely, he'll be back soon but he won't mention anything you said. He'll try to find another tack,,,,, maybe how certain bodily fluids are addictive......

:wink: J
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 05:11 am
mamajuana wrote:
Perhaps the perception of the democrats from the republican side is no more accurate nor clear than the democrats' perception of the republicans.

Perhaps...

And perhaps that means each side needs to spend less (no?) time telling the other what the other thinks, means or intends and spend more time asking the other side what it thinks, means or intends.

(In case it is not clear, I think you are right on this point, and it's one I'm happy to see someone make.)
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 06:58 am
a
A good Tuesday to you.

turn on your speakers ...... be patient

SMILE
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 08:45 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
What! Read! what are you crazy? I got all the information I need right up here in the old noggin ....... rread ..... ha I say to you ......ha

My bad ... forgive me. I momentarily glossed over that you're a librul Twisted Evil Laughing Laughing Laughing :wink:
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:01 am
Wrong again Mr. T.
Babtist
SmileSmileSmile
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:04 am
Kuvasz

Well done----that was a nice piece of writing and I deserved all of that.

I was trying to stir up a honets nest and the chief hornet"what am in charge"stung me bad.

I admit to being very worried about the money situation and the "cheap talk" of promising money that never shows up. The first really serious example that I am aware of is in Afghanistan. What money does show up is gobbled up by all the various agencies to buy pretty white Range Rovers to park in front of their villas.

The failure to increase the death benefit for those killed in action is a crime but I'm not certain who is really responsible but for now I must take your facts at face value. It was admirable of you to air all those injustices being heaped upon the military.

I still believe Krugman is a marxist or at least an anarchist who wants to bring down this country from within. His continual rants against this administration can only cast doubts on our entire governmental system. IMO his negative psychological approach can only have damaging effects and create doubts about the future of capitalism as the engine that will ensure the continued growth and prosperity of this nation. Doubts can be just as deadly as terrorist attacks. This causes me to remind you that our huge deficit is largely due to the gigantic financial shock waves caused by the attacks of 9/11. Many of the worlds airlines nearly folded and they all probably would have if not for gov't assistance. The tourist industry still has not recovered. When you then consider the economic chaos caused by the collapse of several giant corporations in turn caused by greed I believe that Bush can only be blamed for a small portion of the apparent economic catastrophy confronting us.

Again congratulations on a scathing bit of writing----it will cause me to have an agonizing reappraisal of my cards as I retreat bowing and licking my wounds.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:15 am
a
And as he rode into the mid day sun toward Crawford Tx. he turned and whispered .... and the horse you rode in on ......
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 09:22 am
Sorry, Gel ... we don't get many Babtists up here in The Northwoods ... though we is overrun with Lootrans. Laughing

Oh, and perc ... you needn't consider your redeployment a retreat; call it a strategic realignment designed to acheive advantage through revised positioning in reaction to unexpected opportunities ... generals do that all the time Laughing
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 10:48 am
Good work, kuvasz.
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 10:49 am
Timber Laughing Laughing
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 12 Aug, 2003 01:01 pm
perception - and that was a nice piece of writing, too. And perceptive.
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