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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 05:46 pm
perception, I'm just guessing but i suppose Deans platform for a balanced budget places him in the far left in your eyes.
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Kara
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 06:17 pm
Timber... Laughing Laughing

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The tedious, Rabidly Partisan Side, Gel ... both of 'em.


Craven. Well done.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 06:39 pm
dyslexia asked
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I want to know
1. who made the decision to invade Iraq?
2. when did they make it?
3. Why did they make it.
(btw i mean the real answers)


I think those are fair questions about Iraq that, as yet, none of our esteemed conservative brethren have answered. There are fairly clear answers to those same questions with regard to Kosovo, perhaps "become involved in " rather than invade and several other military incursions of the past twenty or so years. Even Somalia has rather apparent beginings and ends. George Bush, who told us in the debates that no US military action ought to take place without a clear purpose, ought to be more forthright with the American people and say that this was an incursion with the objective of controlling the center of the Middle East, it's oil, it's people and it's politics, in that order. \\

That is unless someone else would like to answer my friend Dyslexia.

Joe
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 06:50 pm
a
You asked ........



Middle East

THE ROVING EYE
This war is brought to you by ...
By Pepe Escobar

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt - They've won. They got their war against Afghanistan (planned before September 11). They're getting their war against Iraq (planned slightly after September 11). After Iraq, they plan to get their wars against Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Last Sunday, one of them, Vice President Dick Cheney, said that President George W Bush would have to make "a very difficult decision" on Iraq. Not really. The decision had already been taken for him in the autumn of 2001.

As far as their "showdown Iraq" is concerned, it's not about weapons of mass destruction, nor United Nations inspections, nor non-compliance, nor a virtual connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, nor the liberation of the Iraqi people, nor a Middle East living in "democracy and liberty".

The American corporate media are not inclined to spell it out, and the absolute majority of American public opinion is anesthetized non-stop by a barrage of technical, bureaucratic and totally peripheral aspects of the war against Iraq. For all the president's (sales)men, the whole game is about global preeminence, if not unilateral world domination - military, economic, political and cultural. This may be an early 21st century replay of the "white man's burden". Or this may be just megalomania. Either way, enshrined in a goal of the Bush administration, it cannot but frighten practically the whole world, from Asia to Africa, from "old Europe" to the conservative establishment within the US itself.




scoop
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:16 pm
Dys
While having a bite to eat I found a little tidbit on Dean from an official who has tracked Dean's political life.



John McClaughry, president of the Ethan Allen Institute, a Vermont think tank that tracked the Dean administration.
"But, yes, the state tax burden is undoubtedly higher because of the property tax increases, and during his years, he constantly increased tax rates on virtually everything," Mr. McClaughry said.
And, he added, as taxes rose, so did the size of Vermont's government.
"There's no tendency toward smaller government with Howard Dean," Mr. McClaughry said. "He wanted to expand government, and did."

I also find it persuasive when the only plausible Dem candidate and Al Gore's running mate last election, implored the Dem party to abandon Dean's shift toward the far left and it's failed policies.
If there's any doubt who I mean----it's Lieberman.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:33 pm
Make up your own minds, folks!

http://www.ethanallen.org/index3.html
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:41 pm
came up empty tar
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:43 pm
any comments on the aisian times piece?
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:44 pm
Link not work? Works for me...
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:46 pm
I'll save you the trip. Some well-heeled minute-men with strong feelings about money and property, a board of directors consisting in part of their family, and the head of it has been a Republican candidate for Governor. Now that isn't at all biased, is it?!!
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:47 pm
One might want to take a look at property taxes in Texas paying for (among other things) Bush's failure in education policy.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 08:59 pm
perception, you made the statement that Dean was far left and apparently you found a site that agrees with you, good research i say, on the other hand i believe you have also demonstated that you did not know nor do you now know what Deans policy platform is nor his performance as a Govenor which also leads me to believe you have simply accepted without prior investigation comments you have heard from others that Dean must be a left wing radical democrat. I have heard that Bush is a freakin' retarded crook from Texas who failed at every business he was involved in. What one hears and believes without investigation says quite a bit about his purpose. I am also guessing that this is further evidence that your right wing agenda as less to do with actual information than it does with your embedded proclivity against anyone you can easily label as "liberal."
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:14 pm
Bush's resume

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:16 pm
Let me guess: It doesn't matter a whole lot to Perception who the heck Dean is or what he stands for. I don't think Perception would be interested in Dean if we weren't. The purpose isn't to understand Dean. The purpose is to insult him. Am I close to the target there?

As for the retarded crook from Texas, noted business failure and daddy's boy, Dys apparently does his homework!!
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:23 pm
Dys

On the contrary---I'm not through with your hero---not by a long shot.
I intend to air every detail on your phenom nurtured by the internet----you know why----because all of our guys who died in the last two wars don't deserve to have that lefty as their commander in chief not to mention the ones surviving in that hell on earth, Iraq.

Furthermore, it is evident that you believed every nasty comment ever made about Bush so what does that say about your agenda?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:25 pm
yeah we had our fill with Nixon
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:34 pm
perc, rationalize a 455 billion dollar deficet .... wait, let me fluff my pillow ....... ok, go
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:40 pm
Dys wrote:

yeah we had our fill with Nixon

That wasn't meant to be a wet firecracker but that's how it came out---what's the matter, your script writer fall asleep?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:46 pm
I'm waiting ......
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2003 09:48 pm
Gel

The jury is still out on that one---I would suggest you ask Paul Krugman---you know the marxist economist who teaches marxism at Princeton------ when he's not engaged in writing leftist trash for the NYTimes. He's is constantly bashing Bush for his economic plan but has never offered a detailed solution.
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