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How Should a Christian Act?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:36 pm
At least, that what I believe.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:39 pm
echi wrote:
Lash wrote:
Doktor S wrote:
Lash wrote:
Reading with interest!

(Just FYI-- I believe it is inerrantly produced--but, not inerrantly written.)

And how exactly, when reading, can you discern one from the other?
If you admit there is error in the writing, how do you know what to trust and what not to?

This is where the Holy Spirit is invaluable. No non-Christian will take from the Bible, what a seeking, Spirit guided person will.


IMO, "Holy Spirit" basically equates with "conscience". What is your take?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:40 pm
No.

A conscience is your own sense of right and wrong.

The Spirit is the spirit of God in you.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:42 pm
Didn't mean to sound terse. I don't feel terse. And, I should say I'm not church lady--and just because I say these things doesn't make me right.

This is just how I understand what I've studied and experienced.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:42 pm
How do you recognize it, then?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:43 pm
I would say the existance of the latter is often used as evidenciary justification for the existance of the former.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:44 pm
...and thus the circle of logic is complete.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:45 pm
And do you not agree that our conscience is innate? How does it differ from the Spirit? How could the two ever conflict?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:48 pm
echi wrote:
And do you not agree that our conscience is innate? How does it differ from the Spirit? How could the two ever conflict?

I would say the conscience is innate..just another mechanism that makes us survivable life forms in our niche of nature.
I would also say that innate 'conscience is often given supernatural properties without good reason.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:51 pm
I'll try to put it into words.

It "witnesses" to your heart. It is approved by God, and many times an event will occur that signifies approval of the message you recieved.

There IS room for error. Its like buying a Christmas/Hanukah present for a friend. If you know your friend, you know they'll like what you've chosen for them. If you haven't been around your friend in a long time--you've lost that closeness--it's hard to think of gifts they may like--you're uncertain, and after you buy it, you're worried that they may not like it.

If you're out of step with Christ, you can fool yourself into thinking you know what He's saying--when you don't have a clue. You can easily project your own desires onto the Spirit.

This is how we end up with so much crap, IMO, from that quarter.

There's a lot of patience involved, listening, seeking through prayer, self-examination and time spent in the Bible, studying who you are talking to--and what He stood for.

Hope that's at least marginally understandable.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:51 pm
How does your conscience conflict with the Holy Spirit? I would say anytime that you do something that is against God but is okay in man's eyes, that's a conflict.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:56 pm
au1929 wrote:
Momma
That Christians should practice what the preach.


Personally, I can do without the preaching, too.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 04:59 pm
Sometimes, your conscience is tougher on you than God is.

Sometimes, your conscience isn't even in the same realm with the track the Spirit has you on.

Your conscience is limited to your imagination, your sense of right and wrong--and other human limitations--the Spirit has no such limits--and can push you to achieve things you either could not have or would not have.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:00 pm
queen annie wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Momma
That Christians should practice what the preach.


Personally, I can do without the preaching, too.

Hope you appreciate the difference in preaching and answering questions.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:04 pm
Lash wrote:
I'll try to put it into words.

Good stuff.
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It "witnesses" to your heart. It is approved by God, and many times an event will occur that signifies approval of the message you recieved.

This is still 100% reliant on interpretation by a flawed mind.
How do you know what is approved by god?
How do you know you have interpreted the 'event' correctly?
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There IS room for error. Its like buying a Christmas/Hanukah present for a friend. If you know your friend, you know they'll like what you've chosen for them. If you haven't been around your friend in a long time--you've lost that closeness--it's hard to think of gifts they may like--you're uncertain, and after you buy it, you're worried that they may not like it.

So you are not certain of your faith?
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If you're out of step with Christ, you can fool yourself into thinking you know what He's saying--when you don't have a clue. You can easily project your own desires onto the Spirit.

And if the bible is open to interpretation, how do you know you are not fooling yourself now?

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This is how we end up with so much crap, IMO, from that quarter.

You seem to be implying an 'us and them' situation but you have failed to distinguish the 'us' from the 'them'
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There's a lot of patience involved, listening, seeking through prayer, self-examination and time spent in the Bible, studying who you are talking to--and what He stood for.

Would you say everyone that follows this advice arrives at the same conclusions? If not, doesn't that disturb you at all?
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Hope that's at least marginally understandable.

I think I follow you, but I am left with more questions than I started with :/
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:07 pm
Lash--
Momma--

I contend that "conscience" is basically what is meant by "Holy Spirit". (Not to be repetitive, or anything.) I have held this belief for several years. In fact, it is what finally allowed me to overcome my childhood fear of damnation by the God that I grew up with.
Do you know of anything in the Bible that would counter my belief?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:09 pm
Lash, you take this one for now, will you? I need to get supper. I will address this in a bit, echi.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:11 pm
Thanks, Momma Angel.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:12 pm
Boil up them crawfish real good, now! Ya' hear?!
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 05:14 pm
Try this for now, echi. I can look up some more for you later.

There are many misconceptions on the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put - the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a Person, a Being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures including Acts 5:3-4. In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he had lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had "not lied to men but to God." It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the attributes or characteristics of God. For example the fact that the Holy Spirit is omnipresent is seen in Psalm 139:7-8 "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." Then in 1 Corinthians 2:10 we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. "But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God."

We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a Person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows (1 Corinthians 2:10). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). The Holy Spirit makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11). The Holy Spirit is God, the third "Person" of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be (John 14:16,26; 15:26).

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html
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