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How Should a Christian Act?

 
 
Instigate
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:20 am
And belief in Jesus and his teachings is the path to what?

Follow the Rules and Heaven ye shall see!!!
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:22 am
This is true. But like I said, I don't believe the way I believe to get a reward. I believe the way I believe because it's the truth.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:33 am
Not because its the "truth". Its because its good; Its a decent way of life.

You dont need approval from God to live well, and you shouldnt seek his favor for doing so.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:35 am
I see why you use Instigate as your userid.

Since I know you are not God, I think I will stick with what His word says for me.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:41 am
It was not my intent to aggravate you.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:44 am
You didn't aggravate me. Quite the contrary, I don't think Instigate has to mean something bad. You can instigate a good conversation IMO.

I think anyone can live well whether they believe in God or not. That's not the point of it. There will come a time when it doesn't matter how you lived your life. There will come a time when everyone will have to either choose for God or against Him. There won't be any in-between.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:59 am
But can an Omnipotent entity make such distinctions? Is there anything in this life qualified to judge us?

Omnipotent, to me, includes: ALL UNDERSTANDING. Distinction need not apply.

So, if God can understand everything, How can he he justify favoring one over another?

Is acknoledgement of God the only requirement?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 03:04 am
God does not favor one over another. God gives us all a choice. We have free will. We choose right or wrong.

It's no different than a parent making rules and a child following them to avoid the consequences.

Yes, God is definitely qualified to judge us. He created us.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:19 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
God does not favor one over another. God gives us all a choice. We have free will. We choose right or wrong.

It's no different than a parent making rules and a child following them to avoid the consequences.

Yes, God is definitely qualified to judge us. He created us.

Are you then, qualified to judge your children?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 02:36 pm
There is a difference Doktor S, between discerning things and judging.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 05:56 pm
Instigate wrote:

Is acknoledgement of God the only requirement?


No, LOVE is the requirement. Love, goodwill, peace, forgiveness, acceptance of differences, total absence of judgmental thoughts toward others, charity toward those in need, and, last of all, LOVE.

I think the discernment is most crucial in regard to love--when we choose to act or speak, is it out of love that we do so? And if the answer is 'love, of course,' then there must be further probing--'what is the end I hope to achieve by saying or doing this thing?' And if the answer in any way, any fashion, even hints at all toward anything such as I, me, mine, and all flavor of the 1st person idea, then we are mistaking 'taking' for 'giving' and we should surely reconsider our plans.

Many times 'giving' is really 'taking.' And often 'receiving' is not really 'taking' but is actually 'giving.'

A modern day '3 commandments' might be:

Love God.
Love others.
Mind your own business.

The only way to truly love God is to love His creations. All flavors and orientations.

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Matthew 5:23-24
"So if you are presenting your gift at the altar and remember there that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and first go and be reconciled to your brother. Then come and offer your gift."

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is always patient, Love is always kind, Love is never envious Or vaunted up with pride. Nor is she conceited,
And never is she rude, Never does she think of self Or ever get annoyed. She never is resentful,
Is never glad with sin, But always glad to side with truth, Whene'er the truth should win.
She bears up under everything, Believes the best in all, There is no limit to her hope, And never will she fall.

1 Corinthians 13:13
Right now three things remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, continue to love each other deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 06:23 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
echi,

There is nothing to pick apart in your post. However, since my Christianity is based on faith and not proof, how can I or anyone else offer the kind of reason you suggest?


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Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


Not faith 'in' Christ, but faith 'of' Christ. The faith, then, somehow belongs to Him.

Faith, in the days when Paul wrote his epistles in Greek, did not mean quite the same thing as it has come to mean for us. 'Faith' is 'pistis', and it means something more like fidelity and something which can be trusted. What we think of faith was, for them in those days, 'elpizo' which is translated 'hope' in the NT. And it means to trust in or to expect. And believe is another concept altogether--one that is consistent from then until now but yet is often confused as the same thing as 'faith' when reading the scripture.

I don't criticize anyone, whoever they are, for such a misunderstanding. I do criticize religion, however, but that is an 'entity' not an individual. I would never judge anyone's good intentions as anything but good intentions, but at the same time, I can not help but speak out about what I have discovered and trust to be true--because my own guided investigations I trust more than accepted theology and doctrine. I know my heart, but I don't know anyone else's. I trust my motives but I do not trust the motives of leaders to be aimed toward the individual's best interest. It just doesn't work that way. 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few' is true for man's government but conflicting with God's.

I have struggled with explaining this concept ever since it was revealed to me, but I have not been very successful in relating what I understand. Then, very recently, I came upon this page and it explains it so much better than I have ever been able to. I don't usually 'google for god' but I was referred to this link and found it to be sound according to exegesis.

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I cannot prove God to a non-believer. It cannot be done to their satisfaction. At least, that has been my experience.


That's totally correct, MA, about it not being possible to prove God. God doesn't expect us to prove Him, I think--we are to demonstrate God's nature--with witness through the love we show others. Then if they seek to understand God, He will not hesitate to reveal Himself to them. And only God can prove God. But we cannot demonstrate judgment or partiality--for that is the opposite of what 'righteous' means. Partiality is 'iniquity.'

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God says He that hath ears let him hear. It's all a matter of faith, echi. I can understand how frustrating it may be for non-believers. But, it's frustrating for believers also to understand how someone can't understand the faith part.


You know, I've always believed, can't seem to help myself. But I have always had a problem with the conventional faith idea. I was born with something that many seem unable to grasp even with help all around. I didn't think it fair that I had just been given semething that was said to be required for salvation and others couldn't even ask for it and get it. That, in itself, contradicted the bible's message. Seek and ye shall find. And also, knowing that I was born trusting God, and knowing my true nature as a human being no different than any other, and certainly not deserving of an effortless and free ride, this troubled me for years.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 06:58 pm
neologist wrote:
J_B wrote:
Yeah, world peace. Can you imagine?
Brought about by . . .?


Universal hatred of Kenny G. I thought we decided that two days ago.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 08:01 pm
Lash wrote:
neologist wrote:
J_B wrote:
Yeah, world peace. Can you imagine?
Brought about by . . .?


Universal hatred of Kenny G. I thought we decided that two days ago.


Laughing
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 08:04 pm
John Tesh is dead?
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 08:48 pm
<smacks forehead>

Forgot about Tesh.

What...animal....mag.....ni.....tis....<yawn>
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 09:09 pm
Queen Annie,

I really enjoy reading your posts. It seems your beliefs are qute a bit like mine. It seems the major difference is you don't seem to believe you have to accept Christ as the Son of God? Am I correct?

If you are so aware of what God is, as you seem to be, can you tell me exactly why you don't think Jesus is the Son of God? This is, afterall, what the Bible says. I don't know if you accept the Bible the same way I do or not, so I am trying not to presume anything.

I completely agree about proving God. I find it arrogant that anyone would ask for proof. But, that is because of the concept I have of God. I try to remember others don't have that same concept so I try to understand it a bit better.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 09:50 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Queen Annie,

I really enjoy reading your posts. It seems your beliefs are qute a bit like mine. It seems the major difference is you don't seem to believe you have to accept Christ as the Son of God? Am I correct?

If you are so aware of what God is, as you seem to be, can you tell me exactly why you don't think Jesus is the Son of God? This is, afterall, what the Bible says. I don't know if you accept the Bible the same way I do or not, so I am trying not to presume anything.

I completely agree about proving God. I find it arrogant that anyone would ask for proof. But, that is because of the concept I have of God. I try to remember others don't have that same concept so I try to understand it a bit better.


Momma, you seem not to realize that by questioning people's core beliefs you keep setting yourself up to get told to back off, then you have to apologize again. Do you realize how many apologies you've offered on this forum?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 09:55 pm
Snood,

I don't have a problem with being told to back off and then apologizing for something I may have said to offend someone. I think it's common courtesy.

I hope I have offered an apology for everything I feel I did wrong.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 10:45 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Queen Annie,
It seems the major difference is you don't seem to believe you have to accept Christ as the Son of God? Am I correct?

Not at all. I'm puzzled as to how you got that idea.

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If you are so aware of what God is, as you seem to be, can you tell me exactly why you don't think Jesus is the Son of God? This is, afterall, what the Bible says.

He certainly is, the Son of the Living God. Living is the key word, to me. And believing that involves believing in the resurrection.
Now, most people misunderstand what resurrection is--they confuse some sort of zombie thing with 'raising the dead.' I often get this mental image of all these freshly newly-livened corpses rising out of the ground when some people talk about it. Not you, but others. I have a somewhat odd sensitive empathy. Rolling Eyes
But resurrection is not a bodily thing, it is a spiritual thing--the dead that is raised is the spiritual self. And reincarnation is, of course, an existing soul in a new body. But most people get these two mixed up and make something altogether new.
The part of man that is resurrected is the very same part that died when Adam and Eve transgressed in the garden of Eden. They died that day spiritually, and 900 or so years later, died their second death--the physical death. In the terms of Genesis and Revelation, the 'dead' are what we consider those who are 'living.' But it's backwards, that way, and probably why it doesn't always make a lot of sense.
I do not doubt God raised Christ from the dead; but this was not a precursor, but a demonstration to the disciples, who were even in a more material orientation back then than we are today, that God is a Living God and is the source of all life, spiritual and physical, and is in command of life.

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I don't know if you accept the Bible the same way I do or not, so I am trying not to presume anything.

I understand. I never mind questions, at all.
I will always give an answer and I will never be offended, so don't ever hesitate. Smile
I'm not sure what you mean by accepting the bible in the same way as you--I venture to say that probably that is not possible to know. I have complete trust in the basic tenets that christianity puts forth, but on a different level--that is, not in such a material perspective, if that makes sense. However, that doesn't mean I have trust in christianity, itself. But I started out materially, I just have been brought quite a ways in my life, so far, in regard to my understandings of these things. However, nothing has ever rearranged itself, just deepened. The ground floor hasn't changed, just gotten farther down, so to speak.
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