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How Should a Christian Act?

 
 
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:14 pm
I don't know, echi. I have a hard time believing that if anyone had even the slightest bit of conscience they could be like Ted Bundy. I wish you had read some of the books on him. I think you would understand me a bit better on this.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:14 pm
Okay, I'll bite. I suppose he could then wonder if maybe he was wrong. Then what?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:18 pm
Ok, so what if God hears him and Ted says "Just let me be willing to let you show me the way." Don't you think God could then heal him and restore (or give him) a conscience?
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:23 pm
Quote:
Translation - God noisily storms out of heaven, loud enough to wake the dead. Only the christian dead, though, as the atheist dead are heavy sleepers.


Laughing

Very Good.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:24 pm
Well, yes...sort of.
I see it this way...
If he were able to ask God to restore his conscience, that would indicate that he had reached a point where his illness no longer had him pinned.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:31 pm
No, because he is doing it just based on what others say. He is not doing it because he believes it to be true.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:36 pm
So, how is my version fundamentally different from your's?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:44 pm
Well, to me, yours sounds like he has some bit of conscience. I am not saying that is the case. That is how I understood it. That's not what you meant?
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:48 pm
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is there for anyone to hear if only they choose to listen?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 09:49 pm
Most definitely.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 10:00 pm
Momma--

Okay.
I believe the same thing about one's "conscience".

So, I suppose it is correct to say that Bundy (Ted, not Al) did not have a conscience, but only in the sense that he chose to totally ignore it (probably on some unconscious level). If he was not aware of the existence of a conscience, then it is correct to assert that he was not in possession of one.

What do you say to that?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 10:02 pm
I don't know yet. I have to keep reading it until I can understand it. I'm getting sleepy! :wink:
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queen annie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 03:40 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
No, because he is doing it just based on what others say. He is not doing it because he believes it to be true.


To me, that is a somewhat disguised role of that which I think of as 'morality.' A relative appropriateness based on various 'rights' and 'wrongs.'

I don't think Bundy would have done something just based on what others would say. He definitely had no morality. I agree with Echi--he had conscience, but he was not aware of it because of whatever reason, I don't know. But that unawareness kept it from being heard, so the denial was basically ignorance, instead.

So, with morality and conscience both at 'zero' influence in regard to what we might observe in Bundy--still some force drove him. We all must be driven by something. To be absent of remorse seems to say that the force driving him was not something inherently human, IMO.

Perhaps a 'spirit' of another nature?
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 05:02 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
I believe their words should be filled with Love, but at the same time I think they should be bold and stand firm.

You can't let anyone walk all over your faith, or even think they can. We, as Christians, esp. now need to stand tall and head on!

That's what I believe.

Wanda


I'm sorry for bringing up something from deep in the archives of this thread but I'm curious what you mean by 'especially now', Wanda. What's happening now that makes you feel your faith is being walked all over?
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mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 05:24 pm
From FoxNews

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For the past half-century, the first country in the world to guarantee religious freedom has been locked in a legal war that has driven the symbols of God and religion out of its schools and courthouses, its statehouses and city halls and threatens to go further.


Religion in America - Church and State
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 06:32 pm
I just saw Stats on CNN that indicated 69% of those polled preferred Merry Christmas over Happy Holidays. This is a 12% increase over 2004.

Christians can be happy, but not gloat.
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 09:01 pm
*not gloating*
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 09:04 pm
Not gloating, but definitely Praising the Lord! Laughing
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Im the other one
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 09:08 pm
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I'm sorry for bringing up something from deep in the archives of this thread but I'm curious what you mean by 'especially now', Wanda. What's happening now that makes you feel your faith is being walked all over?


I'm sorry J-B. I didn't actually mean those two sentences in relation.

This is what I meant:

Christians seem to feel this need to be even stronger than before and to try and save as many souls as possible since we're getting closer day by day. I know this is hard to see...it's just hard to not feel this way.

*sigh*

I know the nonbelievers see us as picking on them and forcing our religion on them. It's very hard to not come across this way when we actually DO care. God put it in us to care. That's the only reason it gets so frustrating at times. We just have this need to win as many souls over to Christ as we can. It's heart breaking too.

You don't have to apologize for bringing old things up, besides, it's not too old anyway. Very Happy

I hope I cleared that up good enough.

Wanda
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Questioner
 
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Reply Tue 20 Dec, 2005 09:42 pm
I'm the other one wrote:
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I'm sorry for bringing up something from deep in the archives of this thread but I'm curious what you mean by 'especially now', Wanda. What's happening now that makes you feel your faith is being walked all over?


I'm sorry J-B. I didn't actually mean those two sentences in relation.

This is what I meant:

Christians seem to feel this need to be even stronger than before and to try and save as many souls as possible since we're getting closer day by day. I know this is hard to see...it's just hard to not feel this way.

*sigh*

I know the nonbelievers see us as picking on them and forcing our religion on them. It's very hard to not come across this way when we actually DO care. God put it in us to care. That's the only reason it gets so frustrating at times. We just have this need to win as many souls over to Christ as we can. It's heart breaking too.

You don't have to apologize for bringing old things up, besides, it's not too old anyway. Very Happy

I hope I cleared that up good enough.

Wanda


Hey Wanda,

Just a quick question of clarification for my benefit. Do you feel that the need to reach out to people is something God has, as you put it, 'put in you'? Or could it perhaps be the result of years upon years of being taught that NOT reaching out to people will result in you being seen as a dirty monkey in god's eyes?

This may sound somewhat flippant, but I really do seek an honest answer here.
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