How Should a Christian Act?

echi, you don't know very much about sociopaths and serial killers, do you?

They are not gloomy, loners but "fuctional" members of society. People who other people tend to like. They appear to be normal. It's like a double life.

Ted Bundy was a handome, educated ladies man. He is the most notorious killer in America. Remember Paul Bernardo & Karla Homolka? They were an attractive "normal" couple who raped and murdered her little sister along with several other teen girls. Jeffrey Dahmer lived a "normal" life with his next door neighbors never knowing he had bodies in his freezer. John Wayne Gacy, a successful business man, said his victims deserved to die.

All those people functioned very normally. But didn't feel the remorse normal people would feel after murder. So, what makes them not feel that twing of guilt that we'd all feel?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Ted Bundy was a sociopath. He smiled most of the time. He was perfectly happy with the way he was.

Anyone that knew him would never have called him irritable or unhappy.

Irritability is only one of the identified symptoms, and Bundy did seem to show little of it.
He studied psychology and, by doing so, may have learned how to behave in a more normal manner.
As for being happy, I found out that many believe that his rampage really took off when his first, serious girlfriend left him, which was also around the time that he discovered his parents had given birth to him out of wedlock (for some reason he felt like that was a big deal). After that, he really got into psychology, and it is said that his entire personality changed dramatically.

So, even though it is impossible to know what his inner emotional life was like, there are still plenty of reasons (you'll have to look for yourselves) why he would have developed such a severe denial of his conscience.

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echi,

Perhaps you should do a bit more research on the minds of some of these such as Bella Dea has mentioned.

They had no conscience. None. There are people born without a conscience.

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Momma--

I have looked into this some. But I will do more research because I have yet to find any reason that suggests that a person can be born without a conscience. Any so-called evidence to support that claim (that I have seen) can be explained in other ways.

Kind of off topic (like we're not already), but do you think that a person born without a conscience could still be "saved"? (hypothetically, of course)

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echi wrote:

Momma--

I have looked into this some. But I will do more research because I have yet to find any reason that suggests that a person can be born without a conscience. Any so-called evidence to support that claim (that I have seen) can be explained in other ways.

Kind of off topic (like we're not already), but do you think that a person born without a conscience could still be "saved"? (hypothetically, of course)

echi,

Very intriguing question. But, I believe that everyone can be saved, echi. In cases of extreme mental illness, I just don't see God turning them away, do you? I mean extreme in the sense if the person is unable to determine wrong from right.

Now, there is a difference between having a conscience and knowing wrong from right. Ted Bundy had no conscience, but he knew what he was doing was wrong.

So, he was able to make a choice, albeit the wrong one.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Now, there is a difference between having a conscience and knowing wrong from right. Ted Bundy had no conscience, but he knew what he was doing was wrong.

So, he was able to make a choice, albeit the wrong one.

I don't know, Momma. IMO...
He was in fierce denial of his conscience (although he did have one), but he still knew what was morally right and wrong; he learned this morality from society, like anyone else.

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echi,

You really believe that someone who did some of the things that Ted Bundy did, had a conscience? Do you have any idea as to some of the things he did? I would say if anyone had any semblence of a conscience they would not have committed some of the acts he did.

The man felt absolutely no guilt whatsoever for what he did. None. He was totally into what he wanted, when he wanted it, and it didn't matter if it hurt anyone emotionally, physically, or any other way.

It was all about him. No remorse at all.

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Ted was misunderstood.

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He was cute, in a psychopathically murderous kind of way.

Very intellectual.

Hmmm.

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Yes, Momma. I think George W. Bush has a conscience, too. Laughing

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This is not a political forum echi.

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Momma Angel wrote:

This is not a political forum echi.

I know. I couldn't help it. Embarrassed

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You are forgiven.

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But seriously...
I think everyone has a conscience. Some people pay more attention to it than others. Some pay so much attention that we revere them as saints and others so little that call them evil.
There was a time when practically all mental illness was attributed to "evil spirits".

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That's true, echi. But today we know there are such things as chemical imbalances, organic mental illness, etc.

You will probably have a hard time finding anyone that will tell you Ted Bundy actually had a conscience. In order to have a conscience, I think you have to be able to put your selfishness aside. Ted Bundy was unable to do this. He knew legally what he did was wrong. But, it is what HE wanted so HE did it.

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Momma Angel wrote:

In order to have a conscience, I think you have to be able to put your selfishness aside. Ted Bundy was unable to do this. He knew legally what he did was wrong.

Excellent point.
Now, do you suppose that if had been able to put his selfishness aside that he might have found his conscience?

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Guess we will never know, echi. The man was executed. All we have to go on is what we know of him.

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And you know that he had no conscience?

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echi,

I think if you will read some of the books on Bundy you will find that answer. I have read nearly every book on him. Not one single thing ever pointed to the man having a conscience or showing remorse for anything.

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Many others in prison that are very similar to Bundy. It's not like there's such a small sample....

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