Ticomaya wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Quote:It is my belief that national secrets shouldn't be displayed above the fold of the Times. You obviously think otherwise.
What a stupid thing to say.
When it turns out one's state is keeping monstrous secrets from it's own citizens, then it should be on the headline of
every paper. The damage done to our Liberty far outweighs any security benefits imposed by this illegal circumvention of the Constitution.
Do you believe in a free press, comrade?
Cycloptichorn
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Monstrous secrets," Cyclops?
The damage being done to your Liberty is miniscule. Tell me again how your Liberty has been eroded to such a degree that it outweighs the benefit of listening in on terrorists calling their partners overseas?
The answer is, you simply have no idea. There is no telling how many things were overheard during illegal wiretaps that were then passed on to different branches of the government. I may have an NSA file now because I've been to several anti-war rallies and I talk about it on the phone a lot. But there is no legal reason for this to be so, and therefore, it is a violation of my right to Privacy that the government would be collecting information on me.
And if not me, than substitute one of the known tens of thousands who were affected by this. The damage to liberty is not miniscule, as you keep pointing out; the right to privacy is an important and supporting facet of Liberty.
Quote:Never mind answering that. I already know you believe you shouldn't have to be inconvenienced in order to protect our country from terrorism. You are of the mind that all we need to do is sit back and believe we have the best country in the world, and all will be fine ... the terrorists will eventually leave us alone. Your pathetic liberal philosophy makes my skin crawl.
It will take another terrorist attack in this country to get you libbies to wake up to the fact that terrorists want to kill you. Then, I imagine we'll hear caterwauling and clamoring from you that government didn't do enough to protect the country from the terrorists.
I don't believe the goal of the terrorists is to kill every man, woman, and child in America, or to convert them all to Islam through the use of terror and violence. Nothing that has been done so far has shown this to be the case. In fact, the only ones saying that the terrorists wish to do so are scare-monger Republicans such as yourself; the terrorists have become the ultimate 'bad guy,' the uber-evil villain that allows you to take any steps neccessary to defeat him.
I challenge you to show me evidence that the true goal of AQ is to kill every American, or to convert the world to Islaam through force. And not through some NRO writer; I want it straight from the horses' mouth.
Of course, you'll say that we can't trust the terrorists, so why should we believe them? We've had this argument before. They have much less of a reason to lie about their motives than the Righties in America who are
using the terrorist threat to erode civil rights.
Quote:The fact is, you aren't willing to sacrifice anything in order to achieve a goal worth achieving. That's the sad truth of the matter.
You don't know what the f*ck you are talking about, Tico. September 11th cost my family a f*cking lot and I goddamn know what sacrifice means. I also know that our rights and liberty didn't die that day.
The fact is that
noone has really been asked to sacrifice anything; except our children, because we are paying for everything on loan. Noone is being asked to conserve anything, we're not on a war economy, businesses sure aren't being asked to sacrifice. The only thing being asked to sacrifice is my Freedom, and
that's exactly what the terrorists want! I'm not going to surrrender to them like you are apparently willing to, comrade.
Cycloptichorn
