America... Spying on Americans

@parados,

Just another proof that okie is "out of his mind!"

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

okie wrote:
I trusted Bush. I do not trust this bunch we have in there now.

What you're missing is that no administration should be trusted. Period.

We need independent media and civil liberties.

Then why would you and other likeminded people trust any administration with your health care? Just one obvious inconsistency of many.

Another obvious point here, at least national security is a legitimate function of the executive branch, but other things clearly are not.

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@okie,

Before we switch to healthcare...

If you trusted Bush, did you trust every single person in government working for him? Bush didn't approve all the wiretaps and investigations, so you must have trusted the entire chain of command. Pretty naive if you ask me. We routinely see police violate the privacy of the famous and near famous just to get a few bucks from tabloids. The current administration was the one that killed this investigation.

As for government healthcare, the government already does a great job administering the healthcare program for government employees. I think most Americans without coverage would be happy to have that system.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Before we switch to healthcare...

If you trusted Bush, did you trust every single person in government working for him? Bush didn't approve all the wiretaps and investigations, so you must have trusted the entire chain of command. Pretty naive if you ask me. We routinely see police violate the privacy of the famous and near famous just to get a few bucks from tabloids. The current administration was the one that killed this investigation.

No, but in regard to wiretaps, I have done very very little calling overseas, but of the calls I have made, there were none to any suspicious numbers, so I do not think there would have been any chance whatsoever that my calls would have been flagged, and even if they were, I had nothing to hide, nothing. In contrast, I see very little to no logical reason why the government needs to access the identity of peoples computers that accesses a website. I see little reason for doing that in terms of corellating suspicious persons. Maybe I am missing something here, but I do not understand how this could track down a terrorist for example. It seems more likely it might track down people with certain political profiles instead, which is more objectionable to me, and it appears to lend itself to motivations other than tracking down terrorists.

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As for government healthcare, the government already does a great job administering the healthcare program for government employees. I think most Americans without coverage would be happy to have that system.

That may be your opinion, but I doubt it is universal. Speaking for myself, I am quite happy with my own insurance and health care and I object to the government meddling with it, and I believe most Americans agree with me. Besides, I think what they are doing is unconstitutional.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Then why would you and other likeminded people trust any administration with your health care? Just one obvious inconsistency of many.

I suppose I left out the word "blindly" when I was discussing trust.

okie wrote:

Another obvious point here, at least national security is a legitimate function of the executive branch, but other things clearly are not.

There are lots of agencies that incorporate some of the power of the legislative and executive branches. That's what government agencies do.

It is certainly within the power of the legislature and the President to create such agencies.

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@engineer,

Don't forget Medicare; a totally "socialistic" federal program that benefits "Americans" regardless of political affiliation. Amazing, isn't it?

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

the government already does a great job administering the healthcare program ....

"Report: Government Paid More Than $47B in Medicare Claims
The government paid more than $47 billion in questionable Medicare claims including medical treatment showing little relation to a patient's condition, wasting taxpayer dollars at a rate nearly three times the previous year.
Excerpts of a new federal report, obtained by The Associated Press, show a dramatic increase in improper payments in the $440 billion Medicare program that has been cited by government auditors as a high risk for fraud and waste for 20 years.
....."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/14/report-government-paid-b-medicare-claims/?test=latestnew

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@okie,

The "high risk for fraud" from suppliers are probably all conservatives making money off the taxpayer's hard-earned money. DAMN~! How can we stop those crooks?
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Oh, and the conservatives don't want to tax those guys, because that'll be "wealth redistribution."

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@okie,

My quote did not refer to Medicare, it refered to the health insurance plan offered to government workers. That one routinely gets very high marks and is directly analogous to private healthcare.

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@engineer,

Is government workers health insurance or health care directly managed by a government bureaucracy or is it farmed out or contracted to private companies, similar to the manner that corporations do it?

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@okie,

okie can't see the difference between Medicare and public health plans; he's totally confused on how health care in this country is run. I have Medicare, and choose any health plan I wish, the doctor I chose, and how often I wish to see my doctor. The government does not control any of my health care.

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Did I hear correctly, Obama is spying on Americans through Facebook, Myspace, etc.? Rush is reporting that today. Not a surprise. Makes one wonder, is Obama and his minions also spying on forum participants as well, such as here.

He should be impeached, and the sooner the better.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Did I hear correctly, Obama is spying on Americans through Facebook, Myspace, etc.? Rush is reporting that today. Not a surprise. Makes one wonder, is Obama and his minions also spying on forum participants as well, such as here.

He should be impeached, and the sooner the better.

okie doesn't read my posts, so it's actually nonsense to ask him.

But: police in any country "spies" such sides since years. And especially human resources departments do it. (And kids wonder why they didn't get the job.)

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@okie,

Here is but one reference of many on the web.

"The Obama White House “new media” operations Czar recently contracted a technology vendor to conduct an enormous secret program to gather personal information on millions of Americans from Internet social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace and Twitter, according to the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).

The Obama minions are interested in information such as comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video that mention " or related to " President Barack Obama. "
http://revolutionradio.org/?p=23871

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Here is but one reference of many on the web.

"The Obama White House “new media” operations Czar recently contracted a technology vendor to conduct an enormous secret program to gather personal information on millions of Americans from Internet social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace and Twitter, according to the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC).

The Obama minions are interested in information such as comments, tag lines, emails, audio, and video that mention " or related to " President Barack Obama. "
http://revolutionradio.org/?p=23871

I guess it's worth pointing out to you that: none of that information is secret? That is to say, all the things you've listed are publicly available information. It's not the same thing as 'spying' on people, or Bush's illegal use of warrantless wiretapping.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Did I hear correctly, Obama is spying on Americans through Facebook, Myspace, etc.?

I suppose you consider it spying to read letters to the editor?

If people choose to post something in a public forum, how can you then berate people in the government for reading it?

Spying would be reading private communications.

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@okie,

okie, I hear they have a great big fat file, just on you and ican...

(they don't take the waterboy serious much, either)

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@Cycloptichorn,

What you say really ticks me off. There are lots of things that are publicly available to a degree, but they are still not the government's business, it is not their business, okay? This is not why I pay taxes to pay the government to do.

Bush did wiretapping for national security reasons, okay, not to identify people that opposed his administration, plus Bush was infinitely more trustworthy than what we have now. Obama is not.

Compiling an enemies list is just creepy, the guy is strange, and not to be trusted.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

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This is not why I pay taxes to pay the government to do.

ROFLMAO

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@okie,

okie wrote:

What you say really ticks me off. There are lots of things that are publicly available to a degree, but they are still not the government's business, it is not their business, okay? This is not why I pay taxes to pay the government to do.

You don't really know WHAT they are doing. You are going off of a rumor you read on some site.

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Bush did wiretapping for national security reasons, okay, not to identify people that opposed his administration

Bull ****. You have no clue why or who Bush was wiretapping, and you know it; so don't say this as if it's a fact.

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plus Bush was infinitely more trustworthy than what we have now. Obama is not.

Compiling an enemies list is just creepy, the guy is strange, and not to be trusted.

Bush lied all the time, yet you see him as 'trustworthy.' Orwellian indeed.

Cycloptichorn

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