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Ticomaya wrote:

I have never claimed we should not give the UN the opportunity to act, but when it fails or refuses to take action, and we all know it will, then the US must be prepared to act decisively in its own interests.

Concerning WMD, the UN didn't fail in Iraq.....

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HeyTico,

I'm waiting for you to tell us what you've done for your country so we can put your mouth in perspective!

Anon

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old europe, I understand it's about "context," but at the moment, Iran is all bluster without much to back it up. Many inside Iran are unhappy with their leaderships handling of this issue. The IAEA is voicing concern as they should, but nobody can take a preemptive war action on Iraq on the basis of unknowns.

People like Tico are dangerous, because they think military power is all that is needed without considering the consequences of attacking another Arab country without evidence for the justification.

Most Arab countries are already unhappy with the US. Our former allies are turning against us in big numbers. If we are worried about world terrorism, we'd better work with the international community on diplomatic problems. Going at it alone again is the worst idea.

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Yes, I do wonder why.

Patriotism isn't the same thing as blind patriotism, Tico.

I hold the US to the highest possible standards, because it is the most important thing we have. We export our standards and ideas through our incredibly successful culture and media. In other countries, people ask to be read their rights when arrested, not realizing that they don't have any. You ever have a conversation with a kid from South America, about the USA? They believe our dream far more than we do. Maintaining this is critical to our dream of a democratized globe, and one that we either control or are extremely influential in controlling.

We have become a leader of the world, and we can lead by force, or example. Both take strength. Our strongest weapons against Terrorism aren't bombs or guns, but values. In this I completely agree with the President (bet you thought I'd never say that!): freedom will win over terrorism in the end. It's in people's best interests. But I don't agree that militarism is the right way to go about either setting an example, or achieving our ends of peace and national security.

My entire argument revolves around the concept that we have a greater responsibility to act in a responsible and restrained manner. It is what we expect other nations to do.

Cycloptichorn

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old europe wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
I have never claimed we should not give the UN the opportunity to act, but when it fails or refuses to take action, and we all know it will, then the US must be prepared to act decisively in its own interests.

Concerning WMD, the UN didn't fail in Iraq.....

So far, the failure in Iraq belongs to the Americans ... alone!!

Anon

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Anon-Voter wrote:

HeyTico,

I'm waiting for you to tell us what you've done for your country so we can put your mouth in perspective!

Anon

Come on you Macho Hero ... I'm waiting to hear about your service to your country ... or are you just another chickenhawk??

Anon

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes, I do wonder why.

Perhaps it's because you frequently defend our enemies and paint the US in a negative light.

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Way to miss the point. Why don't you try commenting on the body of my post?

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Way to miss the point. Why don't you try commenting on the body of my post?

Cycloptichorn

I didn't miss your point, Cyclops. You don't think the US should use force to prevent Iran from acquiring nukes, and I do. Simple as that.

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Hey, Tico, why don't you go volunteer for the service, and "really" prove your point! I'm sure Bush and all the military commanders will listen to you!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Hey, Tico, why don't you go volunteer for the service, and "really" prove your point! I'm sure Bush and all the military commanders will listen to you!

Chickenhawks (and Chickenshits) let everyone else do the bleeding and dying for them CI. Nothing has changed much since VietNam!

Anon

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Sunnis Denounce Plan by U.S. and Iran to Hold Talks on Iraq

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/international/middleeast/17cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1142658000&en=7872b8bd00fc9b9f&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Meanwhile, Iran and the U.S. talk about Iraq!

Anon

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Quote:

Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, said the Bush administration would not meet with Iran to negotiate the future of Iraq but rather to voice its concerns about what he called Iran's "unhelpful role" in Iraq.

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Tico, Aren't you a little confused about who the enemy is here? The US and Iran wants to negotiate with the Iraqis?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Tico, Aren't you a little confused about who the enemy is here?

Whom do you think the enemy is?

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The US and Iran wants to negotiate with the Iraqis?

No, I don't believe so.

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From CNN:

Iran, U.S. willing to talk about Iraq

Thursday, March 16, 2006 Posted: 1906 GMT (0306 HKT)

White House press secretary Scott McClellan says Thursday that U.S. talks with Iran must be restricted to Iraq.

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran is willing to hold talks with the United States on Iraq, the Islamic Republic News Agency said Thursday, citing a top Iranian official.

The White House said it was prepared to discuss Iraq with Tehran, but topics must be limited to that subject and not Iran's nuclear program, The Associated Press reported.

Washington and Tehran have no diplomatic ties and no mechanism for talks to take place.

Ali Larijani, Tehran's chief nuclear negotiator and head of his country's Supreme National Security Council, announced the Iranian move during a closed-door session of parliament, the Islamic Republic News Agency said.

It was the first time since the 1979 Islamic Revolution that Iran has officially called for dialogue with the United States, according to the AP.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told the AP that U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, is authorized to talk with Iran about Iraq "but this is a very narrow mandate dealing specifically with issues relating to Iraq."

You cudda fooled me!

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c.i. wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
The US and Iran wants to negotiate with the Iraqis?

No, I don't believe so.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan says Thursday that U.S. talks with Iran must be restricted to Iraq.

...

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told the AP that U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, is authorized to talk with Iran about Iraq "but this is a very narrow mandate dealing specifically with issues relating to Iraq."

You cudda fooled me!

Who's negotiating with the Iraqis?

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From Fox News!

Iran: We're Ready to Talk With U.S. About Iraq

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188067,00.html

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We've gone from no talks, to talking. We have to start somewhere. This is as good as any!

Anon

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Awe, shucks, Anon, you didn't highlight or print in bold so Tico could see and read it:

The Bush administration said it would talk with Iran -- but only about Iraq, not nuclear issues.

Another one of Tico's words shoved up his arse.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Awe, shucks, Anon, you didn't highlight or print in bold so Tico could see and read it:

The Bush administration said it would talk with Iran -- but only about Iraq, not nuclear issues.

Another one of Tico's words shoved up his arse.

Do you even know what you're talking about?

We all know and understand the US is going to talk with Iran about Iraq. You seemed to be claiming the US and Iran were going to negotiate with Iraq (as best I can decipher from the words you typed out: "The US and Iran wants to negotiate with the Iraqis?"). [*Underlining added in an effort to aid your comprehension.]

Do you still think that's the case?

You know, I'm at a tremendous disadvantage trying to communicate with you, because you are obviously thinking at a totally different level than I am.

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