America... Spying on Americans

cicerone imposter wrote:

Anon, You forgot to highlight "I usually ignore the inane repeats."

I kept putting it in the wrong place anyway! Tico accuses Debra of doing exactly what HE does!! It's hilarious! I'm starting to think he's a wannabe lawyer! Maybe the requirements just aren't that high in the "heartland" Laughing

Anon

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Tico writes in desperation:
Of course America is open to any terrorist and terrorism.

And you want to give the terrorists nuclear weapons?

A: I don't have to give terrorists nuclear weapons. It's available from North Korea, Pakistan, and Russia - and perhaps some other countries.

Our borders are still open; blame that on Bush. If you still don't remember all the rhetoric from Bush, he's the one that continues to tell us "it's for the American People - for our security and safety." He recently cut funding for inspecting containers coming into the US. Do you or don't you see any conflicts here?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

A: I don't have to give terrorists nuclear weapons. It's available from North Korea, Pakistan, and Russia - and perhaps some other countries.

Of course. Now, how many of those other countries are state supporters of terrorism?

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Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Here's a specific:

Quote:
Basically, it sounds like your answer is: "Yes ... unless the international community says we shouldn't."

So, in effect you suggest we should remain hostage to the whims of Russia and China concerning this issue. That certainly sounds a lot like the approach Kerry promoted, and one of the many reasons he's not in the White House today.

I do not believe that is the course of action this country should, or will, take.

Way to twist my argument around completely, to magically become a straw man that you really want to break down.

Cycloptichorn

Explain how my summary differs in any material way from what you said. I simply restated your answer -- accurately. You said:

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it isn't our place to allow or disallow another country to do anything that does not violate international laws. If they are in violation of international laws (and you are willing to hold the US and Israel responsible for their violations as well, btw), then the UN should take action against them

My summary was accurate. That's exactly what you said.

Tico's dishonesty knows no shame.

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The US.

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Debra_Law wrote:

Tico's dishonesty knows no shame.

Okay, you explain how my summary differs in any material way from what he said.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

The US.

Ahh, now I get it. You hate the US so much you want terrorists to detonate nuclear weapons here. Is that it?

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Tico, Your memory is short and not dependable. Do you remember the picture where Rummy is shaking hands with Saddam? Do you know anything about how we gave Saddam weapons? Do you know anything about the US and our CIA that have funded "enemies of the state?" Did you know that our preemptive attack on Iraq was illegal? Can you find any justification for the 35 thousand plus innocent Iraqis we have killed since March of 2003?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Tico, Your memory is short and not dependable. ...

Your hatred of the US is strong and clear.

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The only thing "you get" is your poisoned mind that doesn't understand anything about ethics, humanity, and diplomacy. The only thing we know about you is your ability to twist the truth to satisfy your twisted mind.

And you represent our legal system in this country; sad.

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Ticomaya wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
The US.

Ahh, now I get it. You hate the US so much you want terrorists to detonate nuclear weapons here. Is that it?

They'll get one whether Iran is nuclear or not! You're a fool if you think they can't get one, and that they can't deliver it! They have CHOSEN not to do it yet! If you think we've done anything to prevent that, I've got a propeller beanie for you!

Anon

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cicerone imposter wrote:

And you represent our legal system in this country;

I most certainly do not.

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Right-Wing Blocks Funding For Port Security, Disaster Preparedness

Moments ago, the House of Representatives narrowly defeated an amendment proposed by Rep. Martin Sabo (D-MN) that would have provided $1.25 billion in desperately needed funding for port security and disaster preparedness. The Sabo amendment included:

- $300 million to enable U.S. customs agents to inspect high-risk containers at all 140 overseas ports that ship directly to the United States. Current funding only allows U.S. customs agents to operate at 43 of these ports.

- $400 million to place radiation monitors at all U.S. ports of entry. Currently, less than half of U.S. ports have radiation monitors.

- $300 million to provide backup emergency communications equipment for the Gulf Coast.

Meanwhile, the Bush budget - which most of the members who voted against this bill will likely support - contains an increase of $1.7 billion for missile defense, a program that doesn't even work.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/16/port-security-funding/

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Tico, I hate what Bush and people like you have done to this country. The righties always fall back on "you hate America, you commie, you're unpatriotic, and "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists." How childish and ignorant.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Tico, I hate what Bush and people like you have done to this country. The righties always fall back on "you hate America, you commie, you're unpatriotic, and "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists." How childish and ignorant.

Fracking Morons - Stinking thinking!! If you don't go with the Fascist Program, you hate America.

Tico, I dare say I've given far more to this country than you have ... in every way!!

Anon

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Tico, I hate what Bush and people like you have done to this country. The righties always fall back on "you hate America, you commie, you're unpatriotic, and "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists." How childish and ignorant.

You can deny it all you want, but you are obviously a proud member of the "Blame America First" club, c.i.

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cicerone imposter wrote:
And you represent our legal system in this country;

Tico wrote:
I most certainly do not.

Well, thank 'god' for small favors.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Well, thank 'god' for small favors.

What does it mean when an atheist thanks "god"?

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Maggs wrote the following in another thread, but this applies to Tico and his ilk:

A Tale of Two Scandals

This is what the world of Bush followers looks like. "Reporters should be thrown into prison. Citizens should be removed from political events for wearing political t-shirts. The President has the right to break the law for our own good. Politicians who criticize the Administration are traitors and should be imprisoned, or worse. And Supreme Court Justices should be impeached -- or worse. Does any of that sound like America to you?"

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

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Tico, blame America? "Right-Wing Blocks Funding For Port Security, Disaster Preparedness". "narrowly defeated"?

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