America... Spying on Americans

As ex-SAS soldier Tom Carew explains in Jihad: The Secret War in Afghanistan, the British Government colluded with the US in supporting the mujihadeen, with SAS commandos accompanying Green Berets on secret liaison missions in Northern Afghanistan.

On U.S. soil, the CIA used Muslim charities and mosque communities as fronts for the recruitment of fighters in their war against the USSR in Afghanistan. According to Cooley, those directly recruited by the CIA went to Camp Peary, "the Farm", as the CIA's spy training center in Virginia is more affectionately known. At the Farm and other secret camps, young Afghans and Arab nationals from countries such as Egypt and Jordan learned strategic sabotage skills.

April 1988 brought victory for the Afghan jihad. Moscow declared it would pull its military forces out of Afghanistan within the next nine months. As the Soviets began their withdrawal, the jihad's leaders debated what to do next.

Bin Ladin and (Abdullah) Azzam (a Palestinian cleric) agreed that the organization successfully created for Afghanistan should not be allowed to dissolve. They established what they called a base or foundation (al Qaeda) as a potential general headquarters for future jihad.

When Clement Rodney Hampton-el, a hospital technician from Brooklyn, New Jersey, returned home from the war in Afghanistan in 1989, he told friends his only desire was to return. Though he had been wounded in the arm and leg by a Russian shell, he said he had failed. He had not achieved martyrdom in the name of Islam.
So he found a different theatre for his holy war and achieved a different sort of martyrdom. Three years ago, he was convicted of planning a series of massive explosions in Manhattan and sentenced to 35 years in prison.

Hampton-el was described by prosecutors as a skilled bomb-maker. It was hardly surprising. In Afghanistan he fought with the Hezb-i-Islami group of mujahideen, whose training and weaponry were mainly supplied by the CIA. He was not alone. American officials estimate that, from 1985 to 1992, 12,500 foreigners were trained in bomb-making, sabotage and urban guerrilla warfare in Afghan camps the CIA helped to set up.

Some have returned to former battlegrounds, like the university-educated Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, a key figure in the Egyptian al-Jihad terrorist group. Al-Zawahiri ran his own operation during the Afghan war, bringing in and training volunteers from the Middle East. Some of the $500 million the CIA poured into Afghanistan reached his group. Al-Zawahiri has become a close aide of bin Laden and has now returned to Afghanistan to work with him. His al-Jihad group has been linked to the Yemeni kidnappers.

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'Ironically, the bulk of American aid went to the least effective fighters, who turned most strongly to bite the hand that fed them.'

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Let's be polite, Tico is always polite (even when he's wrong )

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Cycloptichorn

AKA: Narco-terrorists.

That's right, SP ... bin Laden created al Qaeda, not the CIA.

You have completely failed to show that OBL was a "CIA asset." All you have done is show that some of the mujahideen that fought the Soviets later became terrorists. Not exactly a news flash.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Let's be polite, Tico is always polite (even when he's wrong )

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

I'll try to be nice :wink:

Ticomaya wrote:

That's right, SP ... bin Laden created al Qaeda, not the CIA.

You have completely failed to show that OBL was a "CIA asset." All you have done is show that some of the mujahideen that fought the Soviets later became terrorists. Not exactly a news flash.

I have more than adequately showed the links between the CIA, the Mujahideen, and Osama Bin Laden.

Have you read the part about Jimmy Carter and the beginning of the Mujahideen??

We created the Mujahideen as it is, we used Osama as a CIA asset, Osama took the Mujahideen and made AlQueda out of it. It's a pretty easy path to follow for even the simple minded.

They are the same young people that become brainwashed by the cause. different clothes, different country, same idiocy.

I am sure you understood what I meant.

But again, there was no relationship between the CIA and bin Laden except in the fertile minds of Ameria-hating leftists such as yourself.

BEFORE YOU CLICK on my face and call me naive, let me concede some points. Yes, the West needed Josef Stalin to defeat Hitler. Yes, there were times during the Cold War when supporting one villain (Cambodia's Lon Nol, for instance) would have been better than the alternative (Pol Pot). So yes, there are times when any nation must hold its nose and shake hands with the devil for the long-term good of the planet.
But just as surely, there are times when the United States, faced with such moral dilemmas, should have resisted the temptation to act. Arming a multi-national coalition of Islamic extremists in Afghanistan during the 1980s - well after the destruction of the Marine barracks in Beirut or the hijacking of TWA Flight 847 - was one of those times.

BIN LADEN'S BEGINNINGS

As anyone who has bothered to read this far certainly knows by now, bin Laden is the heir to Saudi construction fortune who, at least since the early 1990s, has used that money to finance countless attacks on U.S. interests and those of its Arab allies around the world.
As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.
What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow's occupation.
By no means was Osama bin Laden the leader of Afghanistan's mujahedeen. His money gave him undue prominence in the Afghan struggle, but the vast majority of those who fought and died for Afghanistan's freedom - like the Taliban regime that now holds sway over most of that tortured nation - were Afghan nationals.
Yet the CIA, concerned about the factionalism of Afghanistan made famous by Rudyard Kipling, found that Arab zealots who flocked to aid the Afghans were easier to "read" than the rivalry-ridden natives. While the Arab volunteers might well prove troublesome later, the agency reasoned, they at least were one-dimensionally anti-Soviet for now. So bin Laden, along with a small group of Islamic militants from Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Syria and Palestinian refugee camps all over the Middle East, became the "reliable" partners of the CIA in its war against Moscow....

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It might be one thing if the people who levelled lower Manhatten had been flying a bomber or had landed on NY soil on a raft launched from a submarine; we've seen that sort of thing before. In actual fact, those guys and their families had been living amongst us for years pretending to be normal, decent people and doing the kinds of things normal, decent people do and working overtime at blending in.

THAT's the creepy thing in the picture. DEALING with the creeps in question is only creepy to de-moker-rats and vermin.