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Animals have rights but is it OK to eat them??

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 11:27 am
http://www.bettercart.com/images/tnusa/Bumper_Iloveanimals.JPG
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nick17
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 04:52 pm
echi wrote:
Nick17--

Okay. But scientifically, can anyone say that humans are the only ones who feel pain or have emotional sensibilities?


Scientifically - no, no-one can know. People ask the question a lot but no-one has ever found an answer (scientifically)
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 05:10 pm
cjhsa--

Your post reminded me of something funny I once heard:


If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why'd he make 'em taste so good?!
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 09:25 pm
nick17 wrote:
... Do they have feelings, do they have emotions? Are animals even consious of the world around them?

If yes, then i think eating them would be immoral, but i personally believe the answer is no.


Nick17--

Why would you assume that humans are the only animals that are conscious of the world around them? Do other animals behave in a way that leads you to wonder about this, or is it all a matter of your religion?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 09:48 pm
hmmmmm .... I'm startin' to wonder if mebbe vegetarians taste good .....
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 10:05 pm
Well, my ex-girlfriend once told me I taste like... ahh, forget it.
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nick17
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 03:14 am
echi wrote:
nick17 wrote:
... Do they have feelings, do they have emotions? Are animals even consious of the world around them?

If yes, then i think eating them would be immoral, but i personally believe the answer is no.


Nick17--

Why would you assume that humans are the only animals that are conscious of the world around them? Do other animals behave in a way that leads you to wonder about this, or is it all a matter of your religion?


Maybe conscious is the wrong word.

What i'm trying to say is, is it immoral to kill a tree?? - I would say not. Why? Because, religion aside, they are not conscious.

We can all testify that humans are conscious beings - and as such, it would be immoral to kill them.

So perhaps animals are somwhere in between, not fully aware. And to use the Kantian argument: unable to reason as humans.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 10:42 am
Quote:
So perhaps animals are somwhere in between, not fully aware.


Nick, You and I are animals.
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nick17
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 11:45 am
echi wrote:

Nick, You and I are animals.


I'm afraid, echi, that is a view I do not share.

'Animals' cannot reason - they have no reason, they act on instincts and desires.

It is true, 'humans' also act on their instincts and desires. But we have reason; which rules over, controls and (in theory at least) contains our instincts and desires.

Plato's Soul = Reason, Appitites, Desires

Example: A man has been really mean to you, never mind what he has done. You want to 'get him back' for what he did.

You want to kill him. This is your instinct, your desire.

But your reason tells you that if you kill him, you will be in big trouble with the law. You will go to jail for life, you might even be sentenced to death!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 11:46 am
Kill it, and grill it.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 11:54 am
nick17 wrote:
echi wrote:

Nick, You and I are animals.


I'm afraid, echi, that is a view I do not share.

'Animals' cannot reason - they have no reason, they act on instincts and desires.

It is true, 'humans' also act on their instincts and desires. But we have reason; which rules over, controls and (in theory at least) contains our instincts and desires.

Plato's Soul = Reason, Appitites, Desires

Example: A man has been really mean to you, never mind what he has done. You want to 'get him back' for what he did.

You want to kill him. This is your instinct, your desire.

But your reason tells you that if you kill him, you will be in big trouble with the law. You will go to jail for life, you might even be sentenced to death!


The possibility that I might go to jail, or worse, is known to me because I have learned it. Non-human animals also share this ability to learn.
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nick17
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 11:55 am
We'll agree to disagree i think.
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echi
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 12:55 pm
nick17 wrote:
We'll agree to disagree i think.

But where do we disagree?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:03 pm
Where's the BEEF?
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nick17
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:25 pm
echi wrote:
nick17 wrote:
We'll agree to disagree i think.

But where do we disagree?


You believe human beings to be animals.

I believe that humans are superior beings to animals. I do not believe humans to be animals.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:33 pm
nick17 wrote:


I believe that humans are superior beings to animals. I do not believe humans to be animals.


What do you think we are then?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:38 pm
I don't know, but I know I have two heads.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:39 pm
cjhsa wrote:
I don't know, but I know I have two heads.


And I like them both.

Embarrassed
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:42 pm
You've tasted them, Bella?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2006 01:44 pm
Let's get Bella. She won't eat it, she hates everything.

Hey Bella! She likes it!

Wink
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