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Animals have rights but is it OK to eat them??

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 11:22 am
Re: shewolf
Questioner wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
shewolfnm wrote:
yeah, its a good ole game of cat and mouse
loser gets dinner


Shewolf, where did you get that darlin hat? I want one. Do you have one for doggies?

BBB


Questioner, you are so smart. Maddy thanks you for his new chapeaux.

BBB Laughing

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agrote
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 11:28 am
shewolfnm wrote:
agrote wrote:

I live with a vegan and have several friends who are vegan.
One of thier biggest arguements when it comes to health alot of vegans I know share, is that we can suppliment what we get from meat with vitamins and diet changes to ensure that we get what we need to survive.

Alot of times, in our discussions, we talk about how someone could reasonably suppliment a lack of veggies with vitamins as well.
The point of the conversation being that , any source of food is able to be supplimented with vitamins given todays technology.
Does that mean we can go with out physically eating? No.
But it does stand to reason that any piece of dietary needs that are missing, can be supplimented, and or obtained through vitamin form.


So what's your point? It seems like you're just reinforcing the veggie/vegan argument that we don't need to eat meat, and therefore shouldn't, because it is 'imorral.' Nobody claims that it's immoral to eat vegetables, so it doesn't matter if we can survive without vegetables - why point that out?

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2. Animals, at least some of them, feel pain. And some animals are conscious to some degree. If we kill them, they tend to suffer. Now this is, as people have said, all very natural. Other animals kill other animals for food; it's what happens. But we humans are very clever, and we've discovered ways to survive and be perfectly healthy without killing any animals. We don't need to kill animals and make them suffer, so maybe we shouldn't?


No, maybe we shouldnt.. .
But that is a question of morality.. not necessarily survival I think.


Yes, of course it's a question of morality. That's what this thread is about, isn't it? Whether it's immoral to eat animals...
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 11:28 am
bella made mine.
she had to get a new wolf avatar to accomidate it though.

im getting used to the new face... i guess.. :-)
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CarbonSystem
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 08:59 pm
stuh505 wrote:
Tofu can be pretty gross...but if used by a wise chef, it can be very good.

Actually, hmm...maybe it's not the tofu that's good, but the other stuffed the tofu is mixed with...

Anyway, I'm surprised natural selection hasn't weeded out more of the vegetarians...

Then again, I bet if modern science devised a way to sustain people who don't eat any vegetables, meat, but only water and minerals...people would start fighting for the lettuce's right to live


I don't think natural selection has had enough years to wipe out the vegetarians yet. Twisted Evil
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 12 Dec, 2005 09:28 pm
My boss never eats meat. When she was married, raising children she ate it, but only because they insisted on having it. Now that she's divorced, she gave up meat. Her only explanation, "I just never liked chewing meat."
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echi
 
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Reply Sun 18 Dec, 2005 01:41 am
Animals have rights, but is it okay to eat them?

I don't think it is. I also don't think it is right to force my beliefs on someone else.
But anyway, here's your "veggie"...Fire away if you really must.
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sakhi
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2005 01:49 am
I'm a vegetarian too...thought I do not believe in suggesting anyone to quit eating meat.

I don't think it's immoral to eat meat. I often wonder why I cannot bring myself to eat meat. I guess i''m not comfortable with eating something that had feelings and emotions (when it was alive)
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nick17
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 02:56 pm
sakhi wrote:
I'm a vegetarian too...thought I do not believe in suggesting anyone to quit eating meat.

I don't think it's immoral to eat meat. I often wonder why I cannot bring myself to eat meat. I guess i''m not comfortable with eating something that had feelings and emotions (when it was alive)


That is the 'BIG' question i think. Do they have feelings, do they have emotions? Are animals even consious of the world around them?

If yes, then i think eating them would be immoral, but i personally believe the answer is no.
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 03:02 pm
Nick17--

You have feelings, don't you? Why would other animals be any different?
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flushd
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 08:43 pm
I think animals have feelings, and their own consciousness that is important.
But I still eat them.

On one level, it is gross. On another, it is delicious.

I know they'd eat me without any moral problems. Carn and omni animals, that is. Smile

To eat their own. It's great to have vegans and vegetarians in the world. They have really furthered the deliciousness of vegetables and other foods!
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 08:54 pm
If a man were wounded and unconscious on the beach and a flock of hungry ducks came upon him would they eat him?

Obviously the ducks would have to be near starvation, but I am willing to wager that if that unconscious man offered them their only hope for survival, those duck bills would be tearing into that flesh in a heartbeat.

I haven't read this entire thread, so if someone else has already asked this question, please disregard it.
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sakhi
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 10:49 pm
flushd wrote:
I think animals have feelings, and their own consciousness that is important.
But I still eat them.


It does appear gross to me sometimes, and I imagine it's delicious...but as I said before, I do not believe there's anything immoral about eating animals. (Though, I do not think the fact that animals would eat us if they had to - is relevant to whether it is moral/immoral to eat them. ) I simply think it's quite natural to eat animals but I choose not to...
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EndersGame
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 10:58 pm
Heck yes
Meat is here for us to eat why not eat it. I like it.
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 11:17 pm
flushd wrote:
To eat their own.


lol!!!!!
Someone has a guilty sub-conscious.
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echi
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jan, 2006 11:20 pm
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If a man were wounded and unconscious on the beach and a flock of hungry ducks came upon him would they eat him?

Obviously the ducks would have to be near starvation, but I am willing to wager that if that unconscious man offered them their only hope for survival, those duck bills would be tearing into that flesh in a heartbeat.


Funny, gustavratzenhofer. So your sense of right and wrong is based on duck behavior?
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flushd
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 12:23 am
echi wrote:
flushd wrote:
To eat their own.


lol!!!!!
Someone has a guilty sub-conscious.


<shoving skeleton back in my mouth>

Someone used to be a vegetarian. Post-guilt. Laughing
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nick17
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 09:21 am
echi wrote:
Nick17--

You have feelings, don't you? Why would other animals be any different?


I am a Catholic and I base my 'morality' around Christian views and the views Catholic Church.

I believe that as a human being, I have a soul; made in the "image and likeness" of God.

Animals do not have souls, they are not made in God's image, I have been given "dominion over" them.

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And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, and cattle, and every thing that creepeth on the earth after its kind. And God saw that it was good.

And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.


Genesis 1:25-6
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echi
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 10:28 am
Nick17--

Okay. But scientifically, can anyone say that humans are the only ones who feel pain or have emotional sensibilities?
I know you are specifically citing the Bible, here, so I'll address that, too. As I understand it, our dominion over the animals is much like God's dominion over us. So, do you really think we should eat them, then?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 10:50 am
so is god an omnivore?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2006 10:54 am
Animals rights? The right to be cooked in a little butter and garlic, sure.
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