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Student suspended for speaking Spanish in school hallway

 
 
Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 11:44 pm
<b>Spanish at school translates to suspension</b>

Controversy caused by Kansas City incident reflects national debate

By T.R. Reid
The Washington Post
Updated: 12:31 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005

KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.

"It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. <b>This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "</b>

But that conversation turned out to be a big problem for the staff at the Endeavor Alternative School, a small public high school in an ethnically mixed blue-collar neighborhood. <b>A teacher who overheard the two boys sent Zach to the office, where Principal Jennifer Watts ordered him to call his father and leave the school.</b>

Watts, whom students describe as a disciplinarian, said she can't discuss the case. But in a written "discipline referral" explaining her decision to suspend Zach for 1 1/2 days, she noted: "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."

Since then, the suspension of Zach Rubio has become the talk of the town in both English and Spanish newspapers and radio shows. The school district has officially rescinded his punishment and said that speaking a foreign language is not grounds for suspension. Meanwhile, the Rubio family has retained a lawyer, who says a civil rights lawsuit may be in the offing.

National debate
The tension here surrounding that brief exchange in a high school hall reflects a broader national debate over the language Americans should speak amid a wave of Hispanic immigration.

The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, says that 20 percent of the U.S. school-age population is Latino. For half of those Latino students, the native language is Spanish.

Conflicts are bursting out nationwide over bilingual education, "English-only" laws, Spanish-language publications and advertising, and other linguistic collisions. Language concerns have been a key aspect of the growing political movement to reduce immigration.

"There's a lot of backlash against the increasing Hispanic population," said D.C. school board member Victor A. Reinoso. "We've seen some of it in the D.C. schools. You see it in some cities, where people complain that their tax money shouldn't be used to print public notices in Spanish. And there have been cases where schools want to ban foreign languages."

Some advocates of an English-only policy in U.S. schools say that it is particularly important for students from immigrant families to use the nation's dominant language.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) made that point this summer when he vetoed a bill authorizing various academic subjects to be tested in Spanish in the state's public schools. "As an immigrant," the Austrian-born governor said, "I know the importance of mastering English as quickly and as comprehensively as possible."

Hispanic groups generally agree with that, but they emphasize the value of a multilingual citizenry. "A fully bilingual young man like Zach Rubio should be considered an asset to the community," said Janet Murguia, national president of La Raza.

Broad influence
The influx of immigrants has reached every corner of the country -- even here in Kansas City, which is about as far as a U.S. town can be from a border. Along Southwest Boulevard, a main street through some of the older neighborhoods, there are blocks where almost every shop and restaurant has signs written in Spanish.

"Most people, they don't care where you're from," said Zach's father, Lorenzo Rubio, a native of Veracruz, Mexico, who has lived in Kansas City for a quarter-century. "But sometimes, when they hear my accent, I get this, sort of, 'Why don't you go back home?' "

Rubio, a U.S. citizen, credits U.S. immigration law for his decision to fight his son's suspension.

"You can't just walk in and become a citizen," he said. "They make you take this government test. I studied for that test, and I learned that in America, they can't punish you unless you violate a written policy."

Rubio said he remembered that lesson on Nov. 28, when he received a call from Endeavor Alternative saying his son had been suspended.

"So I went to the principal and said, 'My son, he's not suspended for fighting, right? He's not suspended for disrespecting anyone. He's suspended for speaking Spanish in the hall?' So I asked her to show me the written policy about that. But they didn't have" one.

Rubio then called the superintendent of the Turner Unified School District, which operates the school. The district immediately rescinded Zach's suspension, local media reported. The superintendent did not respond to several requests to comment for this article.

Since then, the issue of speaking Spanish in the hall has not been raised at the school, Zach said. "I know it would be, like, disruptive if I answered in Spanish in the classroom. I totally don't do that. But outside of class now, the teachers are like, 'Whatever.' "

For Zach's father, and for the Hispanic organizations that have expressed concern, the suspension is not a closed case. "Obviously they've violated his civil rights," said Chuck Chionuma, a lawyer in Kansas City, Mo., who is representing the Rubio family. "We're studying what form of legal redress will correct the situation."

Said Rubio: "I'm mainly doing this for other Mexican families, where the legal status is kind of shaky and they are afraid to speak up. Punished for speaking Spanish? Somebody has to stand up and say: This is wrong."
© 2005 The Washington Post Company

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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:23 am
Well hell, those darkies are a step away from those A-rab darkies. You can never be too careful.

Ya know, it all went down hill after they started teaching that EvoLOOshin stuff. Better start learnin' them God's creation proper right quick. That'll keep 'em in line. Ain't no one tolded 'em English is God's language?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:54 am
The US moves closer to a totalitarian regime every day. This is just another example.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:26 am
Utterly laughable: The implication of the originating post, and (to an even greater extent) the responses that precede this one.

This is a rare and unusual experience, and I defy anyone to prove otherwise.

There are far far more instances of kids being, inappropriately, allowed to speak Spanish then there are one where merely speaking in Spanish got a kid in trouble. In fact, I doubt that anyone can find a story in the news that is on par with this one.

(Surely Wilso, if America was moving closer to a totalitarian regime every day these sort of stories would be legion. But then you are thinking and talking out of your ass, and how can we expect your ass to approximate reality?)

Wilso lives in Oz and, presumably, believes that Oz should accommodate the lingual preferences of all of its Asian immigrants.

This kid's Dad has my support. It is wrong that someone should be directly punished for speaking a foreign language.

At the same time, I hope Dad appreciates that if junior can't express himself in English in Western Civ, he will, rightly, fail.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:47 am
<b>Finn</b>,
The kid speaks English fluently. Chill out.

It seems that <b>Wilso</b> could benefit from a chill pill as well.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:53 am
JustanObserver wrote:
<b>Finn</b>,
The kid speaks English fluently. Chill out.

It seems that <b>Wilso</b> could benefit from a chill pill as well.


Justan - Physcian heal (via chill pill) thyself.

The kid is (now) a metaphor.

If the actual kid speaks fluent English than he his golden all the way around, and the story is just an idiotic footnote. Presumably, you didn't introduce the story as an idiotic footnote but as an invitation to discuss broader concepts.

But perhaps I have presumed too much.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 03:04 am
When you're bilingual It is discurteous to speak Spanish when you're surrounded by English speaking people. Just as it was discurteous for me and my friends to speak English when we were in college classrooms in Madrid...but i don't know whether it warrants a suspension.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 03:09 am
panzade wrote:
When you're bilingual It is discurteous to speak Spanish when you're surrounded by English speaking people. Just as it was discurteous for me and my friends to speak English when we were in college classrooms in Madrid...but i don't know whether it warrants a suspension.


It doesn't.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 07:58 am
panzade wrote:
When you're bilingual It is discurteous to speak Spanish when you're surrounded by English speaking people. Just as it was discurteous for me and my friends to speak English when we were in college classrooms in Madrid...but i don't know whether it warrants a suspension.


If the school guidelines make clear that English is the only language to be spoken and if all the students can speak English, no matter to how limited degree then on a first a offense a reprimand or warning would be in order. Upon a second offense I believe a suspension is perfectly justifiable, and according to the information we have here Mr.Rubio had been warned in the past and reminded of school policy. If Mr. Rubio is not suspended then how is he ever to learn his lesson? Keep in mind that during the school years, part of the Administration's responsibility is to prepare the young people for their entry into life and the world.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 08:07 am
this issue continues to be problematic near or on native american reservations.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:01 am
I guess I'm naive, but I, like, totally don't understand why the principal or the teacher, or whatever, thought this was even worthy of notice or punishment, let alone a suspension. It's, like, totally awesome to me that kids don't get suspended for speaking in, like, the way I'm writing or whatever. That really merits punishment.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:12 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
I guess I'm naive, but I, like, totally don't understand why the principal or the teacher, or whatever, thought this was even worthy of notice or punishment, let alone a suspension. It's, like, totally awesome to me that kids don't get suspended for speaking in, like, the way I'm writing or whatever. That really merits punishment.


Smile That's what I thought, too.

As to the story itself, I think there may be more to it than we're being told. "Alternative" schools are generally set up for kids who've been expelled from the mainstream public schools. Leaves me, like, wondering, like what did this student, like, do to like, merit getting kicked out of regular high school.

Like, whatever.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:14 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
I guess I'm naive, but I, like, totally don't understand why the principal or the teacher, or whatever, thought this was even worthy of notice or punishment, let alone a suspension. It's, like, totally awesome to me that kids don't get suspended for speaking in, like, the way I'm writing or whatever. That really merits punishment.



Let me help you out here M.A. The school is set to prepare people for life. Let's say you go to the hospital for some reason and are in the emergency room and the nurse and doctor who both speak your language, since it is the native language of the location you are in, start yammering away in another language. You are already in a bad place healthwise and their rudeness just magnifies this. You do not know what they are saying and may even think the worst...this will have an adverse effect upon your health.
You are in a store, you ask a simple question and 2 employees, born and raised in the community start talking in another language...there is no excuse for this.
You are in a movie theater, theater employee starts to talk to another employee in a foreign language.


The list of rude behavior moments is endless M.A. and the school been trying to give Mr.Rubio and all its students skills for living in the world. These skills do not include intentional rudeness. Mr. Rubio should be grateful he was not expelled.

Off school grounds in non-business environments I have no issue with a person being bilingual and using their language skills to the utmost degree. In a park or as a restaurant patron it is fine, but a student or an employee is obliged to have decency. Mr. Rubio has failed.
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Joeblow
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:23 am
dyslexia wrote:
this issue continues to be problematic near or on native american reservations.


De hecho.

Straight to the chase.


joe(it used to be feather but you know what happened there)blow
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:36 am
Sturgis wrote:
You are in a movie theater, theater employee starts to talk to another employee in a foreign language.




I do not know that Spanish can be considered a foreign language in many areas of the United States anymore. Gringos should learn Spanish and get over it.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 10:46 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Sturgis wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
You are in a movie theater, theater employee starts to talk to another employee in a foreign language.




I do not know that Spanish can be considered a foreign language in many areas of the United States anymore. Gringos should learn Spanish and get over it.


Well in that case maybe New Yorkers should also learn Chinese. How about people in Flushing Queens learning Korean? Maybe pockets of the country should all be forced to speak Italian or Polish or German or whatever language is most associated with the local population. Why use Spanish? And while we are at it, which version of Spanish would you like? Puerto Rican? Colombian? Castilian ? Spanglish?

I have no issue with a language being spoken in a non-public forum but within any public forum, be it school or business, as long as English is the official language of the United States, then that is what should be used.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:16 pm
Sturgis wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Sturgis wrote:
Merry Andrew wrote:
You are in a movie theater, theater employee starts to talk to another employee in a foreign language.




I do not know that Spanish can be considered a foreign language in many areas of the United States anymore. Gringos should learn Spanish and get over it.

I have no issue with a language being spoken in a non-public forum but within any public forum, be it school or business, as long as English is the official language of the United States, then that is what should be used.


I was kidding about learning Spanish. OBVIOUSLY.

Apparently you hate America as you are against the Constitution. English is not the official language of the US despite repeated racist attempts to make it so. People have the right to speak any language they want, anywhere they want. (There are some limitations of course but we can get into that later) It is settled law that employees have the right to speak any language they want while at work when speaking amongst themselves.

Strurgis, why do you hate America?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:18 pm
I agree with Roxxxanne. Spanish already is a de facto second language in most urban areas of the USA. And rightly so, I believe.

Your argument holds no water, Sturgis. Chinese as a second language in New York? We do not lay claim to, say, Taiwan or Qemoi or Matsu. (We do lay claim to Puerto Rico.) Korean? We lay no proprietary claims to, say, Seoul. But we did acquire California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado (not to even mention Texas) from the Mexicans back in 1848. All these "foreign" geographic locales had fair sized populations of Spanish-speaking people at the time that Uncle Sam decided our "manifest destiny" was to stretch out from one ocean to the other. We have no moral right to insist that they now give up their native tongue and speak proper English like the rest of us. In fact, whenever you conquer a people, you inherit a responsibility toward those folks. We -- the Anglophones -- have no more right to insist that Spanish-speaking people speak only English than we have a right to demand that Amerinds stop wearing feathers in their hair, if they so choose.
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:29 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:

I was kidding about learning Spanish. OBVIOUSLY.

Strurgis, why do you hate America?


No, I do not hate America, What I am displeased with is persons such as yourself who think rudeness is the way to go. You undoubtedly also yap away on your cell phone in the movie theater. If you read any of what I said then you would realize my issue is with the rudeness. As I indicated, in public locations I do not give a rats ass what a person speaks. I also do not like hearing conversations from people 100 feet away...in English or any other language.

Lastly if you were just kidding about the speaking of Spanish why are you so vehemently attacking me now?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:38 pm
BTW, welcome to A2K, Roxxxie!
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