timberlandko wrote:I do indeed speak much as I write, though voice inflection, facial expression and body language in person-to-person interplay often obviate the need for painstaking verbal precision. I do say what I mean - I'm blunt to the point of abrasive sometimes. And trust me, I have no interest in making you or anyone else feel anything or any way.
Cool. I wish I had your eloquence.
Here's a take on sincerity:
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1706610#1706610]timber[/url] wrote:An evangelical happened across a person about to suicide by leaping from a tall cliff. In full Christian charity, the evangelical rushed to intervene.
"Wait!" he cried, grabbing hold of the despondent other. "Do you believe in God?", he asked.
"Why, yes, I do", responded the other. "But I have nothing left in life but pain and loneliness, so I go to meet my God. It is my only option; I have nothing, and am all alone."
"Do you belong to a church" asked the evangelical.
"I did once", replied the other, "But fell away. As I told you, There's nothing left for me to live for."
"What church?" asked the evangelical.
"The Reformed Evangelical Church of Whatsits", replied the other.
"Why, that's the church to which I belong!" exclaimed the evangelical. "Reform of 1871, or reform of 1934?"
"Reform of 1934" Said the other.
"Amazing!" cried the evangelical. "Me, too. Eastern Conference or Western Conference?"
"Eastern Conference", came the reply from the other, who was now warming to his would be resucuer.
"Me, too!", the evangelical enthused. "New York Synod or Indianapolis Synod?"
"Indianapolis Synod"
"Oh," said the evangelical, delivering a hearty shove to the other. "In that case, then, die, you heathen scum"
Bartikus wrote:Cool. I wish I had your eloquence.
Thank you. Its a learned skill, not an inate attribute. Experience helps one with eloguence, and eloguence helps one elucidate experience :wink:
Addendum: I wish I typed as well as I speak
timberlandko wrote:Here's a take on sincerity:
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1706610#1706610]timber[/url] wrote:An evangelical happened across a person about to suicide by leaping from a tall cliff. In full Christian charity, the evangelical rushed to intervene.
"Wait!" he cried, grabbing hold of the despondent other. "Do you believe in God?", he asked.
"Why, yes, I do", responded the other. "But I have nothing left in life but pain and loneliness, so I go to meet my God. It is my only option; I have nothing, and am all alone."
"Do you belong to a church" asked the evangelical.
"I did once", replied the other, "But fell away. As I told you, There's nothing left for me to live for."
"What church?" asked the evangelical.
"The Reformed Evangelical Church of Whatsits", replied the other.
"Why, that's the church to which I belong!" exclaimed the evangelical. "Reform of 1871, or reform of 1934?"
"Reform of 1934" Said the other.
"Amazing!" cried the evangelical. "Me, too. Eastern Conference or Western Conference?"
"Eastern Conference", came the reply from the other, who was now warming to his would be resucuer.
"Me, too!", the evangelical enthused. "New York Synod or Indianapolis Synod?"
"Indianapolis Synod"
"Oh," said the evangelical, delivering a hearty shove to the other. "In that case, then, die, you heathen scum"
Bartikus wrote:Cool. I wish I had your eloquence.
Thank you. Its a learned skill, not an inate attribute. Experience helps one with eloguence, and eloguence helps one elucidate experience :wink:
Addendum: I wish I typed as well as I speak
holy shiat that was funny.
timberlandko wrote:Here's a take on sincerity:
[url=http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1706610#1706610]timber[/url] wrote:An evangelical happened across a person about to suicide by leaping from a tall cliff. In full Christian charity, the evangelical rushed to intervene.
"Wait!" he cried, grabbing hold of the despondent other. "Do you believe in God?", he asked.
"Why, yes, I do", responded the other. "But I have nothing left in life but pain and loneliness, so I go to meet my God. It is my only option; I have nothing, and am all alone."
"Do you belong to a church" asked the evangelical.
"I did once", replied the other, "But fell away. As I told you, There's nothing left for me to live for."
"What church?" asked the evangelical.
"The Reformed Evangelical Church of Whatsits", replied the other.
"Why, that's the church to which I belong!" exclaimed the evangelical. "Reform of 1871, or reform of 1934?"
"Reform of 1934" Said the other.
"Amazing!" cried the evangelical. "Me, too. Eastern Conference or Western Conference?"
"Eastern Conference", came the reply from the other, who was now warming to his would be resucuer.
"Me, too!", the evangelical enthused. "New York Synod or Indianapolis Synod?"
"Indianapolis Synod"
"Oh," said the evangelical, delivering a hearty shove to the other. "In that case, then, die, you heathen scum"
Bartikus wrote:Cool. I wish I had your eloquence.
Thank you. Its a learned skill, not an inate attribute. Experience helps one with eloguence, and eloguence helps one elucidate experience :wink:
Addendum: I wish I typed as well as I speak
holy shiat that was funny! I'm telling that one at church. lol
WTH with the double posting! oops
Anyways...I'll talk to you guys later. Christians gotta eat...just the same as you heathens do.
Bartikus wrote:WTH with the double posting! oops
Happens once in a while. Most often it comes about when you click "Submit" and the confirmation page doesn't pop up in timely fashion, leading you to think the original click didn't "go through", so you click "Submit" again. Often, this occurs during a period of heavier-than-typical website activity; the server is capable of only so many actions in a given period of time - it generally gets around to all pageview requests and post submissions, it sometimes just takes it a while to do so. A glitch anywhere along the internet chain between the server and your machine can have a similar effect. Odds are very high that once you've clicked "Submit", the post in question made it to the A2K server and will be present in its place on the thread in question. Don't worry about it too much; hell, even I do it once in a while
Something I've found that helps cut down on inadvertantly multi-posting:
When the post seems to "Hang", right-click in the "Reply" dialog box, copy the contents, then go to the top left of the page, click "Your Posts", and look to see if the problematic post in fact has shown up where its supposed to be. If it has, fine - nothing else needs be done. If it has not - which is rare but possible - you have the copied post; just paste it in and resubmit it.
Setanta wrote:With regard to J_B's post and quote about fundamentalists:
Quote mining on the topic of church-state separation will lead, for example, to ludicrous contentions about the christian devotion of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was nominally a member of the vestry of an Episcopal church. Many of the political leaders of Virginia participated in what was the established church of the Commonwealth before the revolution. Once the revolution commenced, these same men moved quickly to disestablish the Episcopal church. Jefferson wrote scorching condemnations of organized religion, and "re-wrote" the four gospels to remove what he considered interpolation and Pauline heretical impositions. Look up "the Jefferson Bible" online sometime....
I just started reading your post, Set, but I want to comment on this before I continue. I have, and have read, the Jefferson Bible. In fact, our church gives a copy to each 14 year old as they complete their 'coming of age' program. Many times when I'm looking up a gospel quote from someone's post here, I'll check it in a complete bible and then look at the Jefferson Bible to see if it's in there, and what it has been partnered with. My younger daughter will be getting her copy in May as she completes the program.
Thanks for the advice Timber.
I think it's time we drug the little wars going on in other threads back in here where they belong.
There has been a few posts from non-believers mentioning the fact that there is an influx of Christians and Christian topics popping up. Wow! Imagine that!
You can't tell me God doesn't answer prayer. I have been asking God to bring more Christians to A2K and he's sure doing it. I submit that the non-believers perhaps are feeling the power of God maybe?
The thing is, if non-believers could just get it into their heads that we do not consider ourselves holier than anyone, it might help. You know what, not one believer that I have seen post has said they are perfect. Not a single one. Quite the contrary, I have seen them admit their faults.
I am not saying there are no good atheists or your life is pointless or anything because there are and it isn't. But, it seems to me that the non-believers are the ones putting the labels on themselves by what they post.
Now, am I trying to stir up anything? Not really. I'm just hoping that the rancor going on in other threads can be brought in here and the other topics can continue more on topic.
So, who wants to take the first swing? :wink:
Use the weapon you were using before momma....that last time freaked me out..it was cool.
Well. While we wait on someone to fight--I'm interested in what you think about this, in reference to the praying on a thread.
Putting Prayer in Its Place
Jesus' instruction on prayer in Matthew begins this way:
"Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you" (Matthew 6:5-6).
Jesus develops two basic kinds of prayer. The first is "showcase prayer" by which the person praying actually draws attention to himself. He wants to be known as spiritual and holy. His religion gives him status, and by public prayer, he maintains and feeds it.
The second kind of prayer is "relational prayer." This is prayer that seeks time with the Father. Jesus, for teaching purposes, draws a distinct line between the two, but we must acknowledge that most people will fall somewhere between the two extremes. It is also important to understand that no one can read the mind and intentions of another heart. What might seem to be the height of arrogance may only reflect upbringing. Or gentle, quiet prayers may come from one who has no private prayer life at all. Jesus' instructions are for us to know and personally apply His words and to let the Holy Spirit guide and train our hearts in these matters.
There are, however, some warning signs to which we might want to pay attention.
Do I have an "I am speaking to God" voice? This may be a matter of upbringing. Nevertheless, none is needed, and such a change in voice can draw attention to the one praying?-unless one is in an environment that expects it, in which case not changing the voice can draw attention.
Elegant words and lots of them. This may be a matter of gifting and natural oratory, but again none are needed.
Personal agenda. It's hard to excuse this one. You pray according to what you want done and what others need to do to help it along.
Gossip. "Please God. Help Jane resist the temptation to keep seeing that guy." Such public prayers are only fruitful if Jane is there and has asked for intercession on that subject.
Public prayer of any kind without a private prayer life. It is a given that if you are not speaking to the Father when you are alone, there is no good speaking to Him publicly.
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This isn't a backhanded accusation, but public praying is so distinctly wrong to me, due to that passage, that I wondered why you do it anyway.
And, I'll add--it's your right to do whatever you please. I'm just curious about your reasoning.
I can't disagree with anything you said, Lash
I like you more every day!
I may not always be right, but I tell the truth. :-)
It's very freeing to just say I'm wrong sometimes. Who cares?
The universe won't implode or anything.
I was wrong just a few hours ago.
Bartikus,
You mean my Smiley WMD?
Momma Angel wrote:Bartikus,
You mean my Smiley WMD?
Smileys and your extremely kind words. I seen people having some meltdowns and going off the deep end when you consistently did that.
Snood described it as hell freezing over.
I also agree with you Lash.
Never fear, Bartikus. I have stored up my ammunition I am just waiting for the war to begin! :wink:
Lash wrote:
It's very freeing to just say I'm wrong sometimes. Who cares?
The universe won't implode or anything.
I was wrong just a few hours ago.
I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong. :-D
ahahahaha
You SLAY me with that rapier wit!!!
