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... and I certainly didn't belong to a frat when I was in law school.

DrewDad wrote:

I do think that some here think that Saddam's actions excuse torture by US personnel and allies.

Are you one such, Tico?

Of course not. But the point is when the leftists refer to the "stress position" techniques used by the US as "torture," they trivialize the word and essentially equate what the US does with what Saddam did.

Consequently, if you ask me whether I condone the "torture" being done by "US personnel and allies," we must define the word, as joe has pointed out. The leftists have used the term to include fairly innocuous interrogation techniques.

DD wrote:

I already know that McGentrix is.

You must have missed it when McG said:

McGentrix wrote:

There is no doubt that there has been some degree of torture done by American and coalition troops and I in no way condone or excuse it.

As Cyclops would say: Sheesh.

Main Entry: 1tor·ture
Pronunciation: 'tor-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Late Latin tortura, from Latin tortus, past participle of torquEre to twist; probably akin to Old High German drAhsil turner, Greek atraktos spindle
1 a : anguish of body or mind : AGONY b : something that causes agony or pain
2 : the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure
3 : distortion or overrefinement of a meaning or an argument : STRAINING

Main Entry: 2torture
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): tor·tured; tor·tur·ing /'torch-ri[ng], 'tor-ch&-/
1 : to cause intense suffering to : TORMENT
2 : to punish or coerce by inflicting excruciating pain
3 : to twist or wrench out of shape : DISTORT, WARP
synonym see AFFLICT

I've asked several times, and Nimh has expanded, whether certain techniques constitute "torture." But so far, no one has given a response.

But the point is when the leftists refer to the "stress position" techniques used by the US as "torture," they trivialize the word and essentially equate what the US does with what Saddam did.

Authorized techniques also may have included the "Palestinian hanging," a "stress position" in which a detainee is suspended from the ceiling or wall by his wrists, which are handcuffed behind his back.

It was this enhancement that preceded the death of Manadel Jamadi, an Iraqi who died in CIA custody at Abu Ghraib in November 2003, according to government investigative reports. When Jamadi was lowered to the ground, blood gushed from his mouth as if "a faucet had turned on," said Tony Diaz, an MP who witnessed his torture. Later, other guards posed with Jamadi's battered corpse, and the leaked photos shocked the world.

And at nights the most horrid concerto conceivable began. For the least little offense, convicts were sentenced to "short-iron". [..] They manacle one's right ankle to one's left wrist and vice versa. Then they fasten one to an iron bar [..]. Elderly people suffer incurable injuries at once. Most people faint instantly. [..] After fifteen minutes the whole body, above all the feet and hands, is completely numbed. Even a touch is horribly painful. [..] Each night on the ground floor five or six or more victims were lined up. We only heard the commands. Then one by one a curious scream. A scream full of surprise. "Can things hurt so unbearably?"

No, I am not. I am suggesting that the liberal use of the word "torture" has become meaningless as they appear to have no real understanding of the definition anymore.

"We are not going to torture, period," said Gonzales....

...

Gonzales added, somewhat discordantly, that although he could not share the particulars of the administration's secret definition of torture, everyone in the federal government was already thoroughly aware of those details.

Results of an AP poll released Tuesday revealed that around two-thirds of people living in Canada, Mexico, South Korea and Spain, where the CIA is said to be conducting secret investigations, said they would oppose allowing the US to secretly interrogate terror suspects [poll results] in their countries, with a similar number in Britain, France, Germany and Italy noting the same.
Almost two-thirds in the United States support such interrogations in the U.S. by their own government.


Poll Shows Divide on Question of Torture

nimh: You have failed to understand my point. Willfully, I believe.

Nimh understood your point, Tico. Did you understand his?