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FIFA World Cup 2006 [R]

 
 
el pohl
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 04:33 pm
I didn´t think it could happen, but Mexico could remember something about how they played in the last Confederation's Cup. The main virtue was a very ordered defense, and good midfield possesion - specially in the first half - which sometimes doesn't mean a thing offensively. The strikers didn't had clear shots, but the balls where there. In such close games, only a brilliant play or a blatant mistake can change the course. Unfortunately Mexico lacks ggeniusplayers, and against that we can do nothing.

Collectively a great game. Individually, lackluster up front, where it matters the most. I could blame a red card and a penalty against argentinians, but he also annulated an argentinian goal for a supposed off side.

Sadly, we are again a cheery contender in the round of 16, but no real protagonist.
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Pantalones
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 06:32 pm
Over the course of the game I was saying that the referee was favoring Argentina. I had to tone it down when the goal was ruled offside.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 06:58 pm
fbaezer wrote:

The odd thing is that he has two very good defensive/offensive midfielders who play from the left side: Ramón Morales and the kid Andrés Guardado, who is somebody like England's Walcott.

We don't want to just go through. We want Mexico to play well, win and be a contender.

Let's hope Lavolpe learned his lesson, realizes Kikín Fonseca should start, makes Morales or Guardado play (thank God Perez will be suspended) and Borgetti is back on time from his injury.


Well, Lavolpe did learn the lesson, Guardado proved my point and Mexico played well and should have won.
In the over time, a tremendous goal by Maxi Rodriguez -the Torsten Fringgs, Joe Cole kind- made the difference.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 07:26 pm
OK, so Ive been looking at the schedule, and the way I figure it, Holland needs to beat Portugal, England and Brazil to reach the finals.

Admittedly, not a cakewalk.

Meanwhile, Italy in the next 2 rounds faces Australia and, presumably, Switzerland.

No offense to you Aussies - but life aint fair.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 24 Jun, 2006 08:32 pm
Nimh, oh ye of very little faith. Oz will trounce Italy, Guus has our boys in acting classes as we speak. The swiss are soft if we meet them we will win.

If we get any help at all from the ref we are in this one.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 10:45 am
I've seen better matches ... so far. (Might well have something happen during the last couple of minutes.)
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 12:26 pm
England defeated Ecuador 1-0 although Ecuador's players looked much healthier.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 12:28 pm
What a boring game! Makes Italy 90 seem exciting.

England has played well 2 halves in 4 matches.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 12:34 pm
Ecuador will be rueing their lack of adventure.

It wasn't a good game - but results count. Unfortunately.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 12:55 pm
So I'm going to support Portugal now ... but of course only, because their hotel is close to us :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 03:03 pm
The Netherlands were the better team - Portugal will loose against England in the quarter final, I think.

The ref might have been quibbling with the cards, but he was following a strict, consequent line.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 03:07 pm
well, bring on the Portugese...suspended, injured, cheating...

should be Germany Sweden replay for England
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 03:30 pm
That was a very dramatic game. At the end I thought Portugal played better but there was so much controversy (headbutting!, for chrissakes) that I'm a little reluctant to give them credit. I was pulling for Holland. But oh well. I wonder if the fans are fighting each other as we speak.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 04:24 pm
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 05:00 pm
A differing opinion.
Portugal was better and deserved the win.
The Netherlands, though I like them better (darn, Van der Saar, Cocu and Van Pierse were on my fantasy team, no Portuguese), showed very little in this world cup.
This also is the first time in my life that I see a team not giving back the ball after a suspension of the game because of injury. Holland, a civilized nation. I stopped cheering for them after it.
The referee was terrible, but his first mistake was not sending off the Dutch defender who injured Cristiano Ronaldo.



I don't think England will have it that easy, even if Portugal is without Deco and Costinha. The key for the English win will be their midfield, and it hasn't been that great during this WC.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 05:05 pm
Nimh can console himself by cheering for England.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 05:07 pm
fbaezer wrote:

This also is the first time in my life that I see a team not giving back the ball after a suspension of the game because of injury. Holland, a civilized nation. I stopped cheering for them after it.


I saw that also with Germany in one of the early games. I can't remember which one. I agree that Portugal played better -- at least in the second half. I'm just not sure, from my vantage point, how much of that was due to how f-ed up the game had become. I don't think England will have such an easy time with them, even missing some key players.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 05:46 pm
wandeljw wrote:
Nimh can console himself by cheering for England.

Oh I will dont worry.

I got my colleague here, two even wacthing along tonight, Hungarians they are, and who did they support? Portugal. Hell, homegirl has supported about every team we played against, Ivory Coast, Argentine...

But tonight a gang of Brits behind us, who riffed on in hilarious rapid spitfire, they were cheering on Holland, going off about those Latino diving donnas (they used different language...)

I'll definitely return the favour. F*cking Portuguese.

Holland played tough, very tough, its true. But so did Portugal. One didnt let the other be the tougher one, each upping the ante of dirt. The ref was all over the place, but then how could he keep track. There were at least two times when a Portuguese made a really foul attack on a Dutch player, and we got nuthin, not even a free kick. Then again, shortly after that second instance, we got a free kick pretty much gifted, close to their goal. And what was that with one of them, like, hitting one of ours in the melange after a foul, outside the ref's view??

Some game, tho. Most exciting game I seen so far, and of course I would think so, but the Hungarian girls thought so too (and homegirl's seen about every game). Damn, what a mess in the second half! Seriously, any moment I expected them to call in the UN. Blue helmets to physically keep the teams apart. But not just that. Lots of good goal opportunities. The one of ours that went against the bar, f*ck. Some spectacular shots. Kuyt was good, everpresent, fanatical. I think it was him who totally wrongfooted two Portuguese in almost cartoon-like manner near their goal, tho it didnt yield anything.

Holland was far more in ball possession, the TV said 60/40 somewhere in the first half, even 63/37 somewhere in the second. Thats an extreme disbalance on this level. But they often didnt seem to know what to do with it. Lots of passing to and fro midway through the field, back again, on again, stasis.

Then again, they ran into a wall, with the Portuguese playing like f*cking Italians. Massing in front of their own goal, 8 of em to 5 of our adavance men. We kept stranding in their massed-up defence, until finally the ball would catapult out, and one or two Portuguese players spurted after it and ran with it. Boom dangerous situation in front of our goal. They played purely on the counter, grrr.

I realise it didnt make us popular, but I for one was kinda glad to finally see the Dutch play physical powerplay, for once. We always get the critics' plaudits for having played "the most beautiful" football, the footballers' football, the sophisticated strategies. But it doesnt usually do us any good. For one because we always have infighting in our team by prima donna artists who just dont seem to really want to win. Spoiled egos.

That was different this year. You cant say Holland played beautiful football. It didnt. But they wanted to win, in this game here they really gave it their all, they were fighters. In the first round, twice they didnt really deserve to win, but they did anyway. I dont mind that for a change, usually its the other way round.

But what a game. The onlookers, most neutral, were steaming, torn between absorption and hilarity at the sheer chaos. Boring it was not. The Hungarian football commentator, somewhere on three-quarters of the second half, exclaimed: "already ten minutes without a yellow card!" The funniest shot musta been near the very end, when mayhem ensued on the field and the camera panned to the dugouts - where red-carded Boulahrouz and one of the Portuguese who'd been sent off with a red card were sitting side by side, in animated discussion gesturing at the field, like mates bitchin' at the others.

But. Shite. Thats it for us.

I wonder how much flak Van Basten will get for not fielding Van Nistelrooy. Sending in Van der Vaart and then Vennegoor of Hesselink as replacements and still leaving him out was like adding insult to injury. Who knows whether it woulda made that one needed difference.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 06:03 pm
fbaezer wrote:
This also is the first time in my life that I see a team not giving back the ball after a suspension of the game because of injury. Holland, a civilized nation. I stopped cheering for them after it.
The referee was terrible, but his first mistake was not sending off the Dutch defender who injured Cristiano Ronaldo.

The BBC seems to be saying that, if anything, it was the Portuguese the ref was easier on:

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Russian referee Valentin Ivanov set the tone for his performance by booking players from the start for late tackles that he could have given free-kicks for.

Costinha was the first to go, his first offence a sliding foul on Philip Cocu and his second a blatant handball, leaving Ivanov with little choice.

Portugal should have been reduced to nine when Figo was only booked for headbutting Van Bommel, who took his time before falling to the floor.

Soon after Figo was at it again. This time it was his turn to fake serious injury as he tangled with Boulahrouz, who was handed a second booking and dismissed.

Deco was booked for a flying foul on Johnny Heitinga and he was off soon after, shown a second yellow for refusing to hand the ball back to Holland as Ivanov continued to throw cards around like confetti. [..]

Their [the Dutch's] miserable evening was compounded in the fourth minute of stoppage time when Van Bronckhorst was shown a second yellow for a minor foul.

Highest rated players by the BBC site visitors:

1. Maniche (PT) 8,2
2. Van Persie (NL) 7,9
3. Van der Sar (NL) 7,7
4. Deco (PT) 7,6
5. Miguel (PT) 7,5
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margo
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jun, 2006 09:35 pm
Amigo wrote:
What the hell happened to the American team? All those South Americans and we still lost. Evil or Very Mad


I do hope they're trying humble pie!

Nimh is unhappy????? Grumpy?

Current joke doing the rounds:

How do you make an Italian laugh - tell him the Aussies will beat the Azzuri!

Well - Guus did it with the South Koreans vs Italy in the last Cup - be a lauigh if he could do it again.

But...what have we got to lose - just go for it!
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