Define God

@Herald,

I find intriguing that you and RF both are of the opinion that the God who created this planet, firmly established it to be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18), and who pronounced all of his work 'good' (Genesis 1:31), would have neither the power nor the inclination to preserve it through any potential calamity.

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@Herald,

You didn't answer the question. "Dagobah" is fictional. I'm not interested in your fictional fantasies. Even if the hydrogen and oxygen "dissociate," as you call it, they're still here. Maybe you're so facile that you go along with that clown Romeo that it will escape into space. That's why i asked the second question--how would it escape the gravity well?

Dreaming up fictions which seem to confirm your dire predictions has no part in a discussion of fact. One fact remains, and that is you claimed the water would "go away." You have not said where it will go, nor how. So you haven't answered my questions. More importantly, you claimed that this would happen in the near term. You are the one who doesn't "get" the math if you think the surface temperature of this planet is going to exceed 2000 degrees centigrade any time soon, as a result of the accumulation of anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere.

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Neologist said:

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the God who created this planet, firmly established it to be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18), and who pronounced all of his work 'good' (Genesis 1:31), would have neither the power nor the inclination to preserve it through any potential calamity

Jesus told his mates- "I'll be back later to take you to my Father's house" and he also said to the guy on the cross next to him "Today you'll be with me in paradise", so it's pretty obvious that he meant somewhere other than the earth.
When the earth goes up the spout, no problemo, we won't be here.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Why "my father's house?" It's because humans who wrote the fictional story couldn't come up with more imagination. They ran out of ideas - something where god wouldn't have any 'limitations.'

In other words, the writers of the bible are saying, "guess where, stupid!"

It could be a verb.

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verb
houz/
1.
provide (a person or animal) with shelter or living quarters.
"attempts by the government to house the poor"
synonyms: accommodate, provide accommodations for, give someone a roof over their head, lodge, quarter, board, billet, take in, sleep, put up; More

Why didn't they use "shelter?" Shelter from what? Satan? The only question is, where can that be?

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Remember the bible is written in human language, for example God is EVERYWHERE like he said-
"Heaven is my throne, earth is my footstool, how can you build a house for me?"...."Do not I fill heaven and earth?" (Jer 23:24, Isaiah 66:1)

so when Jesus spoke of "my fathers house" he simply meant "paradise", not necessarily a bricks-and-mortar building.
And that "paradise" will be anything we want it to be, for example a golfer asked Billy Graham if there'll be golf courses in heaven, to which Graham replied "Yes if you want them to be".
Same with a house, if you want to live in one in paradise, that's what you'll get, something like this maybe-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/SunsetLamplightB.gif

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Actually, the bible is "claimed" to be the word of god.
http://www.christianity.com/bible/authorship-and-inspiration/what-evidence-is-there-that-the-bible-is-in-fact-gods-word-11542346.html

BTW, the commercial reproduction of that artist's work in your post is the same kind of fraud perpetrated against 'gullible' humans. He was a marketing genius, and a very poor artist who mass produced them like the bible. It's not worth the paper it's printed on.

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Guys look at it this way- JC arrives on earth and says- "Hi, I'm looking for pals, then when you die you can come live with me in paradise".
So why don't atheists like him? I mean, Jesus was a nice guy wasn't he?
Why don't they want to be his pals?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Atheists don't like him or hate him. He's a fiction of some humans imagination. How can atheists hate some fictional character?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

That's an easy one Romeo. It is because He said some severe things about adultery. And casting off wives.

What do you think Dawkins is on about?

What was the most severe sentence Darwin inflicted upon abject members of the lower orders who came before him in his role as a magistrate?

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Romeo asked:

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why don't atheists like Jesus?

Spendius replied-That's an easy one Romeo. It is because He said some severe things about adultery. And casting off wives.
Cicerone replied: -Atheists don't like him or hate him. He's a fiction of some humans imagination. How can atheists hate some fictional character?

Romeo comes back with-
@Spendius- Jesus saved an adulteress from the mob. What do you mean by casting off wives and bringing Dawkins and Darwin into it?
@Cicerone- Some atheists say JC did exist and some say he didn't, so which of them is right?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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Some atheists say JC did exist and some say he didn't, so which of them is right?

That statement is a contradiction. Try to figure out why.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Can you even guess when that might happen? I think not.

'Guess' is not the exact verb to be used here, perhaps 'calculate', 'evaluate', 'estimate', 'make extrapolation from the data', etc. would be much more appropriate. The problem is that a large number of validated data and inferences are concealed ... for various reasons.
Yes, I cannot say when, but believe it or not it will be sooner than expected (for there will be a large number of 'side effects').

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@Setanta,

Why don't you simply answer the question?

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@neologist,

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... would have neither the power nor the inclination to preserve it through any potential calamity.

Yes, God is helpless to our greed and stupidity. There is no one to save us from our own visious practices ... of any kind.

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@Herald,

Whatever verb you use, it's still a guess. Just as long as you understand the question, that's what's important in communication. "Believe it not!" You may replace my "guess" with any verb you wish; it's still the same question.

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@Herald,

First, because you have never answered my questions; second, because it's obvious that yout don't "get" the math. You have some bizarre Chicken Little hysteria going on about climate change. Scientists don't know if CO2 is a leading or a following indicator. Scientists don't know if this is anthropogenic. So don't talk to me about not "getting" the math. Your alleged math is some hysteria you've cooked up in your head, and claims about the water going away or surface temperatures of the planet reaching more than 2000 degree C within a few centuries are just evidence of how much you don't know about the situation, and how much you are in the grip of hysteria.

There, dipshit, i answered your attempt at a loaded question. I will have nothing more to say to you unless and until you provide coherent answers to my questions. At that point, i might consent to tear your responses to shreds.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

. . . and he also said to the guy on the cross next to him "Today you'll be with me in paradise", so it's pretty obvious that he meant somewhere other than the earth.
When the earth goes up the spout, no problemo, we won't be here..

You, of course, realize the Greek writing of that day had no punctuation; so the statement could also read, "I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise." That certainly makes more sense, since Jesus was dead for parts of 3 days and could not have been anywhere. If you read Revelation 21:3, you will note the "tent of God is with mankind", not the other way around. That also makes sense, because the small number of humans raised to heaven will preside as "kings over the earth" (Revelation 5:10)

No doubt humans on earth will have plenty of time to get to know Jesus.

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Neologist said:

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If you read Revelation 21:3, you will note the "tent of God is with mankind", not the other way around. That also makes sense, because the small number of humans raised to heaven will preside as "kings over the earth" (Revelation 5:10)

But mate, nobody has ever been able to figger out Revelation because it's so heavily-laced with metaphor, analogy and symbolism.
Personally I wouldn't want to be a "king over the earth" because the earth would mean nothing to me, I'd be glad to be off it and wash my hands of it and forget it.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Even christians become power-hungry once they go to heaven. What a deal!

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Cicerone said:

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Even christians become power-hungry once they go to heaven. What a deal!

Rest assured it's only JW's who believe in that "kings over the earth" twaddle, no true christian wants to rule over anybody in this life or the next.. Smile

"Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; NOT LORDING IT OVER those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:2-3)

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