Jason Proudmoore wrote:
Don't you think that we need to find the definition of "challenge" first in order to apply it to this argument? What makes a definition a good definition? Something that wouldn't contradict the logic of what is being defined. The definition of the word "table" isn't just an object with four legs. Lots of animals have four legs and aren't tables. "Table" is an object of four legs that is used to put other objects on it. That isn't a right definiton either, because there are other objects with four legs that you can put thins on them. But haven't we talked about the contradictions of the bible? I don't think your passages make good argument. Give me something concrete.
OK, God gave humans two 'challenges' or commands:
First, in Genesis 1:26: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth."
Next in Genesis 2: 16, he commanded : "From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."
All the religious confusion and human misery of the world derives from the rebellion which came next. Those 'challenges', if you must call them challenges, came from the misuse of the gift of free will by Satan and his human conscripts.
It follows that if the story is true and if they had not sinned, they would still be here and we would have no war or crime or sickness or death.
Jason Proudmoore wrote:
Actually, the concept of "god" or "gods" was created
in the pre-milesian era by a poet name Hesiod (750-700BC). Wrote "works and Days." And gave account of religion myths (derived from imagination). Theogony: myth of creation. Hesiod gave anthropomorphic (human-like) gods:
Poseidon: ruler of the seas
Dionysius: god of wine, partying
Aphrodite: god of love
This homeric character was the one who provided the building blocks for moder religions.
This is interesting information, Jason. Thank you. What I am looking for is a description of the qualities, or nature, of God.
For example, The name Jehovah means 'he who causes to become'. Does this mean he is not subject to our understanding of causality? What would be the consequences of that understanding, if true?