Define God

Frank Apisa said re harsh OT verses:

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But Jesus told us that he was not here to change that stuff.
You cannot get around that, Romeo.

Nice try mate but no..
When high jumper Dick Fosbury first demonstrated his fantastic 'Fosbury Flop', he didn't then embark on a campaign demanding that all the old coaching manuals be burnt, he simply carried on jumping his way and left it to people's free will to decide whether they wanted to follow his example or stick to the old obsolete way.
Same with Jesus, he left it to people to decide whether they wanted to do old nasty stuff like killing witches or to follow his new enlightened way..

cicerone imposter wrote:

Eating an apple can't possibly be the "sin." If sex is the sin, then god made man in his own image with a penis. Where does god get his "sexual" satisfaction? If he doesn't require sex to have a son, why did he make man and woman require sex to have children?

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Where did you get the idea of an apple? Eating the fruit was a sin because of what the act represented, namely choosing to reject God's authority and take upon themselves the knowledge of good and bad.

Frank Apisa wrote:

BUT THEY DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

Why do you keep ignoring that important detail?

Because it represents the most important issue in the universe. God's right to set standards for his creation.

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"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death."
Deuteronomy 22:18ff

There is no way for this to be the Word of God. It is so selfish, so barbarian and so primitive, exhaling from malice and stupidity, and such petty thinking focused around the egocentrism of the elders that its objectives are showing through thousands of miles.
The most probable interpretation of this is that the elders seeing that the Word of God has power have decided to falsify the original Word of God (that might have been everything) and to strengthen their dominance over the young generation. If this is the Idea of God it should be going through the whole Bible on various occasions ... but there is nothing of the kind.
Let's take another example by analogy - the Spanish Inquisition. Can you tell me where exactly God gives instructions and directions to the Spanish Inquisition to execute tortures of any kind on whatsoever occasions.
These cases are obviously 'local deviances' and are designed and developed by local retards, greedy for money and power ... everything that the Word of God is not about.

It's only a problem if the individual sacrifices their common sense and logic. Beyond that, there's nothing that can be done.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you; UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not the smallest letter of the law, not the smallest part of a letter shall be done away with until it all comes true." Matthew 5:17ff

"God given truths" is an oxymoron. It has no basis in fact or evidence.

Frank Apisa swung with this Jesus quote:

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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you; UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not the smallest letter of the law, not the smallest part of a letter shall be done away with until it all comes true." Matthew 5:17ff

Think it through mate..
The old law said-"..the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" (Leviticus 20:10)
But Jesus RESCUED an adulteress from the fundy mob, so what conclusions do you draw from that?

It's not a big problem for me.

I asked you--" Have you any records of any stonings to cite?"

You have not answered. And you said you answered questions which, I know, is only intended for new readers here.

Compared to the questions raised by a parson's young daughter in Wuthering Heights, and other poems, you look to me like a kid on the beach building a sandcastle whilst imagining himself Napoleon.

Really. You are not even in the game. Your naivete is of the baby's pram variety. Every year, year in year out, thousands of well-to-do Americans make pilgrimages to the graveside of Emily Bronte.

I am Emily Bronte. I am Jane Austen. Like Flaubert's "Madame Bovary est moi".

We know what you are at. Shagging on the cheap. Yellow stickers.

...Jesus... a liar or a hypocrite....?

Frank Apisa keeps swinging in the sandtrap with:

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...Jesus... a liar or a hypocrite....?

Somebody once asked Isaac Asimov-"What would happen if an irresistible force met an immovable object?" and his answer was-"The question makes no sense and therefore requires no answer".
Same with your question about whether Jesus was a liar or hypocrite, it makes no sense whatsoever..

But Romeo...you wrote:

Frank Apisa swung with this Jesus quote:
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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets. I have come, not to abolish them, but to fulfill them. Of this much I assure you; UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not the smallest letter of the law, not the smallest part of a letter shall be done away with until it all comes true." Matthew 5:17ff

Think it through mate..Smile
The old law said-"..the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" (Leviticus 20:10)
But Jesus RESCUED an adulteress from the fundy mob, so what conclusions do you draw from that?

The question makes sense...plenty of it.
Why not answer it?

However, without a strict law, Jews would never have been able to identify the Christ.

The Spanish Inquisition is child's play compared to individuals who were treated poorly by others.