Define God

Souls die. (Ezekiel 18:20)

Souls die. (Ezekiel 18:20)

When - with our own death, 5 min later ... or 5 BN years later? . . .

Sorry you can't see it, Frank. That you could not even accept it as metaphorical tells me you simply don't wish to see it.

Make it "metaphorical", Neo. It still is a sting.

What would be the metaphor?

You do not have knowledge of good or evil...yet if you do evil I will punish you?

C'mon, Neo. Surely you do not think your god would punish you if you expressed a legitimate questioning of this passage...

...do you?

Old Testament people were often cruel and primitive so God had to kick their butts to keep them in line.

Then later when he thought people had become more advanced, he sent Jesus to give us a new enlightened update-

neologist wrote:

Sorry you can't see it, Frank. That you could not even accept it as metaphorical tells me you simply don't wish to see it.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Make it "metaphorical", Neo. It still is a sting.

What would be the metaphor?

You do not have knowledge of good or evil...yet if you do evil I will punish you?

C'mon, Neo. Surely you do not think your god would punish you if you expressed a legitimate questioning of this passage...

...do you?

I'm sure Jehovah will not punish you for asking. But I already understand that Adam and Eve were created with a perfect conscience. They did not need to weigh the good and bad consequences of their behavior as it had been instilled in them. You may say that Satan freed them from the bonds of their conscience. I say in so doing he brought them into bondage to himself.

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D- for you, Frank. That's if someone other than you grades the paper.



Don't borrow from Spendius. Doing so is a step down the ladder.

I understand you cannot acknowledge that, because of your fear of your god.

No problem.

. . . Yeah...you are saying that. But your Bible is saying something different. . . .

We are souls. When the soul dies, we are dead.

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D- for you, Frank. That's if someone other than you grades the paper.



Don't borrow from Spendius. Doing so is a step down the ladder.

If I said 2+2=4 and neo agreed that would not mean he was borrowing from me and nor would it mean a step down. He caught you marking your own exam paper as I have often done. It's simple.

And dishing out orders on the strength of it.

Two obvious and flagrant false teleologies in 12 words suggests you are accelerating.

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I understand you cannot acknowledge that, because of your fear of your god.

No problem.

You really are very fond of that type of condescending sarcasm. Not unlike a tolerant psychologist patronising a recalcitrant youth.

I understand your constant reflexive recourse to marking your own exam papers. It is due to progressive, child centred education being fashionable in American schools, and here to some extent, and at the zenith of its power during the 40s and 50s when you were trapped in one of its incarceration units.

Anyone even casually attentive to the works of John Dewey, which provided the main justification for progressive education, will be easily aware that his works were a very long-winded version of MYOEP.

In view of that it is not easy to see how you could have avoided escaping from that nasty mental disease and the inability to even recognise that you have developed a rather virulent form of it.

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . . Yeah...you are saying that. But your Bible is saying something different. . . .

Actually, Frank, you are reading something different.

. . . But...your fears of that brutal god must cloud your eyes and mind from seeing that. . . .

Frank Apisa wrote:

. . . But...your fears of that brutal god must cloud your eyes and mind from seeing that. . . .

This is just another example of how laughable your assertions are, Frank.
There is no punishment for disbelief, only the consequence that awaits us all.

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We are souls. When the soul dies, we are dead.

I don't think he understands simple biological rules of life and death.

There is no punishment for disbelief, only the consequence that awaits us all.

Adam and Eve DID NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG...good from evil. That is the whole point of the story.
So your god punished them for doing evil...when they did not know that evil was evil

neologist wrote:

There is no punishment for disbelief, only the consequence that awaits us all.

This is not true in the general case.
It depends on the object of disbelief. If you don't believe that Varan de Komodo for example has 6 delay death poisons this disbelief may prove critically fatal under some circumstances.
If you don't believe that CO2 has hidden costs in the form of health hazards and is actually more expensive than any solar or hydrogen power ... this may be critically fatal at some point of time to a large number individuals.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Adam and Eve DID NOT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG...good from evil. That is the whole point of the story.
So your god punished them for doing evil...when they did not know that evil was evil

Eating a yummy fruit wasn't evil, it was more like "naughty", but what got God's goat is that they DISOBEYED his fatherly warning not to eat it, and gave in to Satan's prompting instead!