Define God

@spendius,

I know my standards are based on circumstantial and anecdotal evidence. However, I am convinced I have a preponderance of it

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@neologist,

You wrote,

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I am convinced I have a preponderance of it

You need to be careful about that "preponderance" stuff, because it's all in your own subjective mind. Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You wrote,
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I am convinced I have a preponderance of it

You need to be careful about that "preponderance" stuff, because it's all in your own subjective mind.

As is the taste of the breakfast I am about to enjoy.

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From another thread:

Herald wrote:

I wrote:
You would have to provide more than just your asseverations to demonstrate the true God

I have no evidences to present ... for there are so much evidences and they are so contradictory that I don't know where to start from.
The things that are for sure is that we are here (on the Earth) from 1 BN years and that there are no evidences about God (whoever or whatever it might have been) ... earlier than 12 500 years ago (which in comparison to 1 BN years is negligible).
One cannot make a backward in time inference that:
IF God existed 12 500 years ago
AND if God is omnipotent, omniscient & omnipresent ... & immortal (which has never been proven BTW)
THEN God must have existed 1 BN years ago.
This logical inference is simply not valid ... by many reasons.

Sort of depends on how you define God, wouldn't you say?

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@neologist,

This with the other thread was not entirely bad idea.

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Sort of depends on how you define God, wouldn't you say?

We are not supposed to define God arbitrary. All we have to do is to unreveal and disentangle what is the whole story of 'God & the prophets' all about - from the point of view of the modern sciences ... starting with verification & validation of the 'visions of the prophets' (which has been objective and which - subjective ... and which fake), and from the Tomb of the Visitor (& Mother Geb) ... and ending up with the feasibility of psychotronic communications ... and the plasible interpretations of the things.

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Jesus said "My Father is always working" (John 5:17), so in a sense we could regard him as a "Master Geneticist"

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/dna-god.jpg

Jesus said- "The very hairs of your head are all numbered" (Matt 19:30)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/CMSF/jedward.jpg

And- "My Father is always working" (John 5:17)

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/god-dna.gif

The human retina is a masterpiece of wiring up-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/retina1.gif

And God needs to keep tweaking his evolution program to keep it on track.
Jesus said "Father you loved me before the creation of the world" (John 17:24), so we can take comfort from the fact that Jesus was on hand to cuddle baby dinosaurs when they needed it most-

"Sorry kiddo, you're on the way out"

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub3/jes-dino.jpg

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@Romeo Fabulini,

If god really interested enough to know the number of hairs on one's head, why does he treat humanity so badly? He kills babies at birth or before birth, and sweeps whole communities with disasters that kills without any consideration for the faithful or sinners - who may eventually find god.

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@cicerone imposter,

Why blame God? Satan can be a bit of a bastard you know!
For example Jesus said- "Satan has bound this crippled woman for eighteen years" (Luke 13:16), then he cured her, no problem.. Smile

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jesus_vs_satan.gif

PS- Of course, Satan doesn't really look like his stereotype "horned devil" image, he's far more subtle and operates in stealth mode all the time; maybe we should start a thread called 'Define Satan'.. Smile

Satan in Mel Gibson's 'The Passion'' (below) is much nearer the mark, a sly background lurker picking up on flaws in peoples character and moving in to work on them-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/sub2/satan.jpg

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo, explain to my friend CI how it became possible for Satan to have such a dominion. Though we are fast friends, I seem unable to make that point.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

There's a huge conflict in your observation. If heaven is "sin free," why couldn't he make earth sin free? Will Satan have access to heaven too - to allow "free will?"

There goes heaven - to hell!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

There's a huge conflict in your observation. If heaven is "sin free," why couldn't he make earth sin free? Will Satan have access to heaven too - to allow "free will?"

There goes heaven - to hell!

I know you were asking Romeo, but I think I should point out that all intelligent creation has free will. Satan chose to sin. And he remained in heaven (for a time) long enough to challenge God over the man Job.

Adam and Eve chose to disobey and join Satan in his rebellion. That is, of course, the reason the word 'satan' means 'resistor' or 'rebel'. Since our parents became rebels, they have passed the spirit of rebellion to us. Our only hope is that we have been granted the free will to seek freedom from that spirit.

Oh, and I have asked Romeo to explain to you why Satan as been given this control. Let's see how well he does.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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'Super-intelligence is the only good explanation for the origin of life and the complexity of nature'1

Yes, it is much more probable than the creation of the universe by a 'brainless' big-bang (the probability for which exceeds 10^-84 in the best case scenario).
Yet, the DNA code does not explain our intelligence - where does it 'come from' (before birth) ... and how does it 'disappear without a trace' (after death). What are we missing (in order to be able to make the computers autonomous like us)?
To claim that a supreme intelligence in the universe exists is one thing, and to claim that this intelligence is obliged (somehow and by reason unknown) to take care of us (and to provide us with health care services, ancillry care services, money supply services, spiritual care services ... and idiot-resistance care ... 24/7/365) is very much different.

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@neologist,

If Adam and Eve chose to sin, why not all the folks who go to heaven?

Human frailty is animal frailty - by nature. We kill to eat animal flesh, and continue to have wars that are religious and politically based. What changes in heaven?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

If Adam and Eve chose to sin, why not all the folks who go to heaven?

Well, CI, they have to be forgiven. As soon as God pronounced sentence on the rebels, he foretold the remedy. " And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” (Genesis 3:15) Foretelling the Sacrifice of Jesus and the eventual demise of Satan . . .

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@Herald,

Herald wrote:

. . . To claim that a supreme intelligence in the universe exists is one thing, and to claim that this intelligence is obliged (somehow and by reason unknown) to take care of us (and to provide us with health care services, ancillry care services, money supply services, spiritual care services ... and idiot-resistance care ... 24/7/365) is very much different.

Could it be explained by the qualities He has engraved in us? Love, Wisdom, Justice?

What good father does not wish to provide for his children and instruct his children to use their skills to create lives of their own? Read Proverbs chapter 8 for some insight.

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@neologist,

You wrote,

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Could it be explained by the qualities He has engraved in us? Love, Wisdom, Justice?

They could be explained until hell freezes over, but "love, wisdom, and justice" are not things that can be dictated. Each human's perception about life differ by degrees, and how they interpret their life's worth and goals that are usually constrained by where they are born and live.

There are huge differences in what we call "justice" in this world. Many cannot participate in the same "freedoms" allowed in many other countries. I believe "wisdom" is an oxymoron, because it's not based on intelligence.

That's a fact that god cannot change.

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@cicerone imposter,

What about your perception of love, wisdom, and justice?

Does it suffice for the illustration?
Do you not wish the best for your children and grandchildren?

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@neologist,

In most cases, those are animal instincts. It has nothing to do with religious' teachings. They are the outcrop from the evolutionary process of how man came into being - from the primates.

If you investigate each one of your nouns, they have a wide range of what humans consider the pros and cons for each one, because human perceptions differ.

Take love for an example. Why do parents kill themselves and their children?
Can you think of contradicting reasons? I can.

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@cicerone imposter,

C'mon, CI. I'm not talking about the perversions of love and justice that belong to Satan's system. I'm talking about what I have already perceived in your personality. We have known each other in cyberspace for several years and I can see your personality through your posts.

Your perception of love. God's gift to you. How do wish to grant it to your children?

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