XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 05:48 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
As far as Jesus' temptation as the foremost of God's creation, Satan's motive had not changed from the one expressed in the book of Job. It is his aim to turn all away from the truth - including God's own firstborn.

Why would God chose to create this? Or allow it to happen? Only to have his son destroy it later? When they are one and the same...Since you disagree with me regarding Jesus' creator...Do you think that if they are one and the same that Jesus does not or could not know what the father does?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 05:51 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
There is no reason why Adam and Eve could not have succeded.

Maybe you are correct, maybe you are not...I do not think anyone knows that answer but God...

In any event if Jesus did not do what I have said he has...Why do you personally consider him a savior right now? What death do you think he has destroyed for you and everyone? If "the Devil" is still there...
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 06:29 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
What we are getting down to is the subject of free will. Perhaps I should resurrect some of my old topics on Free will and Trinity. Though others have posted equally interesting threads.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 06:49 pm
@neologist,
That would be cool with me...I would be interested in discussing free will or the Trinity...Wink....Very Happy

I have made some posts before in the "Proof of non-existence of free will" thread...

If you are interested in some of my thoughts...
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 11:33 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

tenderfoot wrote:
All I do is un create your creations that your God supposedly created.... and that statement is a very un created, created statment. :-)
Huh?


You need to use your creative skills to un create the Huh !... or your religious interpretations will do the job for you.
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2013 11:35 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Yep ~~~ I don't get that.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 12:49 am
@tenderfoot,
tenderfoot wrote:
You need to use your creative skills to un create the Huh !... or your religious interpretations will do the job for you.
You have a nay with words
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nila11
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 02:29 am
i am no define God in words. i am just imagine God nearest to your breath they looked him every where.
Looking4Truth
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 04:04 am
@nila11,
We do not see God. We do not know God. We do not understand God. To us, God isn't here. To God, we are not with him, although He is with us. We are asleep. God is. We are not. We cannot define God. We do not understand what we don't know. We only know what is given. Reason and logic.

In my opinion: There's so much more greater than what is given (reason and logic). There's more unknown than known. There's more to all and before all than what we have proof of. There just has to be. I cannot deny God. It's not a matter of faith to me. It's a matter of common sense. Not of knowledge but of "un-knowledge". We only know what we know which is practically nothing compared to truth. We are morons. In my opinion, I don't have "faith" or "hope" for a God. I know that God has to be because of what we don't have given to us. God must be so we must not be. Common sense. Simple.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 06:23 pm
@nila11,
nila11 wrote:
i am no define God in words. i am just imagine God nearest to your breath they looked him every where.
Just a supposition, but I imagine you would agree with Romans 1:20: "For his invisible [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship."
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:34 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

his eternal power and Godship."[/un quote]

Them thar words sound like the words of a pirate... Hang on!! that's it... Your God was a pirate. Hey! that's a bit more believable.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2013 11:40 pm
@tenderfoot,
Arrgh! I dodn't write them thar words. I were just a quotin em, lad.
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Just Brian
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 03:37 pm
@neologist,
My god has no human attributes therefore neither male or female. We continue to label God with human feelings such as love,hate,pride,dissapointment. This does not make sense.
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Just Brian
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 03:53 pm
Stop putting your labels on God. God is not responsible for your failures or successes. You are.
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 10:13 pm
@neologist,
Shovel man talk.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 10:23 pm
whats the point of talking about something if not to label it ? Laughing
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 11:12 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
e"Fil Albuquerqu" wrote:

whats the point of talking about something if not to label it ? Laughing


Quote.
My god has no human attributes therefore neither male or female. We continue to label God with human feelings such as love,hate,pride,dissapointment. This does not make sense.un Quote

Fil Albuquerqu.

The post above is full of labels about his God... but you're not allowed to say anything about his God cause he's God for Christ sake.
neologist
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2013 11:51 pm
@tenderfoot,
Sometimes I find even my largest shovel quite insufficient.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2013 11:10 am
@tenderfoot,
you see..my point was that whatever we call "God" (I have a "mathematical" perspective of God I call it "Unity") God is nonetheless for us...there is no interest in talking about God if God is just unknown...so what is it that being so general can be said about it with property without engaging in story telling and phantasy worlds ??? For me it can be traced back to that sense of what is greater then me...that which justify me and all that I see...Unity !

...God it is no thinking being, but that which justify s incomplete searching thinking beings...God is not process but that which justify s process, the unmoved mover...God has no power, its not an active entity, but that which justify s power and change and action...the source and end of all things..Unity !

Logos is not what we think it should be, but rather what is, the only way, the path of reality...in there yesterday, today, and tomorrow are a written story without a writer...eternity !
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2013 12:18 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

you see..my point was that whatever we call "God" (I have a "mathematical" perspective of God I call it "Unity") God is nonetheless for us...there is no interest in talking about God if God is just unknown...so what is it that being so general can be said about it with property without engaging in story telling and phantasy worlds ??? For me it can be traced back to that sense of what is greater then me...that which justify me and all that I see...Unity !

...God it is no thinking being, but that which justify s incomplete searching thinking beings...God is not process but that which justify s process, the unmoved mover...God has no power, its not an active entity, but that which justify s power and change and action...the source and end of all things..Unity !

Logos is not what we think it should be, but rather what is, the only way, the path of reality...in there yesterday, today, and tomorrow are a written story without a writer...eternity !
What about the definition of his name?
Yahweh - Jehovah means "He who causes to become"
Pretty succinct definition, wouldn't you say?
 

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